Hello all, new member here and hoping for a little advice. I recently purchased a Komatsu D65E-6 dozer and I want to change the oil in the final drives before I put it to work. I've operated Cat dozers in the past but have no experience with Komatsu. Is the Komatsu a wet brake setup and if so can I run Cat fdao or regular 50w ? I was checking out oils produced by Shell and came across this bit of info • Compatibility - Shell Spirax S5 CFD M 60 is fully compatible with all seal material employed in CAT equipment; and is also compatible with Shell Spirax S4 CX oils and oils meeting CAT TO-4. Shell Spirax S5 CFD M 60 should not be used in transmissions also containing friction materials (eg those with wet brakes or clutch materials). Use of Spirax S4 CX oils in those transmissions is recommended. Any recommendations would be appreciated.
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Choice of oil for Komatsu final drives.
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John C.
Senior Member
One would normally contact a Komatsu dealer to get the right type of oil and not ask about what another manufacturer would use.
In my experience working with Komatsu, SAE30 weight engine oil was used in all Komatsu finals. You should call a dealer though and confirm that.
Good Luck
In my experience working with Komatsu, SAE30 weight engine oil was used in all Komatsu finals. You should call a dealer though and confirm that.
Good Luck
joispoi
Senior Member
What John said. Komatsu specs different fluids than other manufacturers. It's best to get a printout from your dealer.
jughead
Senior Member
my d 75 s loader manual says 30 motor oil
ncnswlogger
Active Member
Sae 30. Dad owns a 1988 komatsu D60E-8 "direct drive. We use caltex "chevron" delo silver 30 in the final drives, transmission/steering clutches and master clutch. Not sure if sae 30 is used in transmission/torque converter in a D65. Also your 65-6 would be wet steering clutches
willd8r
Well-Known Member
Interesting The forestry corp run a few 65's & 85's they had final drive problems at low hours so they ran one with 30 in one side 90 in the other. The 30 side failed early as usual the 90 side was good did the same again, same problem so 90 in the winter 140 in summer months and those machines did big hours with no final drive issues again.
That's interesting to hear. I can see how 90wt would work better for lubricating the gears and bearings under most conditions but how cold did get there? I've been told many times over that 30wt was the only option. Dealers, operators & mechanics have all concurred.
I've considered other options with the modern multi-grade oils but I'm a little shy as it's a big expensive repair if a person guesses wrong. Anyone else want to chime in with some hands-on experience?
Twisted.
I've considered other options with the modern multi-grade oils but I'm a little shy as it's a big expensive repair if a person guesses wrong. Anyone else want to chime in with some hands-on experience?
Twisted.
jughead
Senior Member
a little off topic but my manual calls for 10wt hd motor oil for the hydraulic system. i havent been able to find any. has the requirement been changed and if so what should one use. spent an hour on the phone today with dealer and anyone else that would listen still dont have an answer
Nige
Senior Member
AW32 hydraulic oil would be fine for that system.
As a comment regarding final drives and oil viscosity, remember that engine/powertrain oils and gear oils use different viscosity classifications, so an SAE30 engine oil (or TO-4 for that matter) is approximately the same viscosity as a 90-wt gear oil. A 140-wt gear oil is a slightly higher viscosity than an SAE50 engine/powertrain oil.
That is true but also easily confused.
Some oils are tested at 100*C & others at 40*C. It really depends on engine oils vs. industrial oils vs. others. Engine oils are designed to start at cold temps but run at higher temps. Industrial oils are not designed to run at such high temps. Not as far as their classifications anyway.
Here is a link to help explain things a little better than I can. It has a chart to compare the different oils along with their classifications.
http://www.doolittleoil.com/faq/viscosity-sae-iso-or-agma
Some oils are tested at 100*C & others at 40*C. It really depends on engine oils vs. industrial oils vs. others. Engine oils are designed to start at cold temps but run at higher temps. Industrial oils are not designed to run at such high temps. Not as far as their classifications anyway.
Here is a link to help explain things a little better than I can. It has a chart to compare the different oils along with their classifications.
http://www.doolittleoil.com/faq/viscosity-sae-iso-or-agma
jughead
Senior Member
thanks Nige