Rolloff vs hooklift truck

lantraxco · Apr 12, 2014

There's a couple outfits out there that make some nice hooklift or roloff trailers you can tow gooseneck or fifth wheel behind a 350 or bigger truck. That's the way I would go if were getting into the business of hauling. Cheers

Drewster2016 · Apr 12, 2014

RZucker said:
One other advantage of the hooklift in demolition, is that you can grab the box at a pretty steep angle and pull it out to load it on your truck. its amazing what other people will pile or park in front of your box. Plus when you set it out you can steer it into tight spot.
As far as a truck goes, Get one that will be as short as possible for maneuverability. A day cab cabover would be my first choice. An auto trans is a plus too.

I was thinking maybe a truck like this. It would make a pretty cool looking truck
m.commercialtrucktrader.com/listing?id=111984465

Mark13 · Apr 12, 2014

CM1995 said:
Guys I don't know what the issue is on the other forum and frankly don't care - It's NOT going to carry over to HEF.:cool2

So shake hands and go about your business.

I'm all for asking questions and gaining info but I think there is a point in which you are wasting others time compared to actually using the info towards a purchase or change in a business. When you go from wanting one thing to another to another without anything materializing along the way I think you are wasting everyone's time. Especially once it gets down to the point of asking if a truck with no power options and a vinyl floor will get better mpg then a well optioned truck because it's lighter, etc. Then when no one has the solid data you are expecting then that idea is lost and a new plan comes along and then that fizzles out too after wasting everyone's time again acting like a serious person who is ready to make a decision in the very near future. I like when younger people have big plans and apply them to create something great. But it seems that it's easy to have big plans at 15 or 16 then realize not to many people that age can purchase a $50k pickup let alone other larger equipment and justify it or keep it for more then a few months until the bank comes knocking.

Drewster2016 · Apr 12, 2014

Mark13 said:
I'm all for asking questions and gaining info but I think there is a point in which you are wasting others time compared to actually using the info towards a purchase or change in a business. When you go from wanting one thing to another to another without anything materializing along the way I think you are wasting everyone's time. Especially once it gets down to the point of asking if a truck with no power options and a vinyl floor will get better mpg then a well optioned truck because it's lighter, etc. Then when no one has the solid data you are expecting then that idea is lost and a new plan comes along and then that fizzles out too after wasting everyone's time again acting like a serious person who is ready to make a decision in the very near future. I like when younger people have big plans and apply them to create something great. But it seems that it's easy to have big plans at 15 or 16 then realize not to many people that age can purchase a $50k pickup let alone other larger equipment and justify it or keep it for more then a few months until the bank comes knocking.

If you actually read what I typed you would see that it's my dad that wants to get I to the business and I'll be helping him.
Second thing I never asked if a truck with Vinyl floor will get better mpg. THIS ID HEF SO LETS STAY ON TOPIC ON THIS SITE PLEASE

overworked · Apr 12, 2014

As for asking to many questions, young people should not be afraid to ask questions, when you stop asking you stop learning, then you turn into someone who thinks he knows it all and wants to tell everyone that he thinks so, and if this young lad is wasting your time , don't click on the thread. Your attitude is wasting this kids learning time here on HEF. OVERWORKED!

RZucker · Apr 12, 2014

I agree with that. I have no problem dispensing advice. And its worth exactly what you pay for it.

Drewster2016 · Apr 12, 2014

overworked said:
As for asking to many questions, young people should not be afraid to ask questions, when you stop asking you stop learning, then you turn into someone who thinks he knows it all and wants to tell everyone that he thinks so, and if this young lad is wasting your time , don't click on the thread. Your attitude is wasting this kids learning time here on HEF. OVERWORKED!

RZucker said:
I agree with that. I have no problem dispensing advice. And its worth exactly what you pay for it.

Thanks guys.. So back I to the topic, what kind of cabover could be an option to look at? What about like the cab overs they use for trash trucks? And suggestion as to what to look into
Somthing like this
m.commercialtrucktrader.com/listing?id=111922821

RZucker · Apr 12, 2014

Ex refuse trucks would be a good place to start looking. I got 2 low cab peterbilts with 3306 engines and 654 allisons a few years back for 3200 apiece. Huge rear ends and brakes. Even had hydraulic systems intact. Built one into a water truck and the other into a Lube rig with hydraulic driven air compressor and fuel pump. Made a couple bucks on them.

Drewster2016 · Apr 12, 2014

Where did you find the trucks for that cheap? The only place I can't honk of to look is commerical truck trader

CM1995 · Apr 12, 2014

Mark13 said:
I'm all for asking questions and gaining info but I think there is a point in which you are wasting others time compared to actually using the info towards a purchase or change in a business. When you go from wanting one thing to another to another without anything materializing along the way I think you are wasting everyone's time. Especially once it gets down to the point of asking if a truck with no power options and a vinyl floor will get better mpg then a well optioned truck because it's lighter, etc. Then when no one has the solid data you are expecting then that idea is lost and a new plan comes along and then that fizzles out too after wasting everyone's time again acting like a serious person who is ready to make a decision in the very near future. I like when younger people have big plans and apply them to create something great. But it seems that it's easy to have big plans at 15 or 16 then realize not to many people that age can purchase a $50k pickup let alone other larger equipment and justify it or keep it for more then a few months until the bank comes knocking.

HEF is a big Forum and we have dealt with a variety of members, the "Orange Cancer" comes to mind.

If you don't like this thread then unsubscribe from this thread and don't read it or post in it - it's your choice.

Leave it to us Mods to moderate.:cool2

CM1995 · Apr 12, 2014

RZucker said:
I agree with that. I have no problem dispensing advice. And its worth exactly what you pay for it.

Oh my advice is worth every penny you pay for it and comes with a Georgia warranty - when it breaks you get to keep the parts.:tong

RZucker · Apr 12, 2014

Drewster2016 said:
Where did you find the trucks for that cheap? The only place I can't honk of to look is commerical truck trader

I got mine at a county auction.

joispoi · Apr 13, 2014

IMO anything that you can drive without a cdl is a waste of time and money in the dumpster business. It would be difficult to develop a customer base if they have to call someone else every time they need a bigger container. You'll lose that customer as soon as they find the competitor that can service their needs.

Hook lift is the only way to go for all the reasons already listed....plus if the truck gets bogged down and stuck, you can push yourself out with the box. :cool2

Reel hip · Apr 18, 2014

I only owned 1 roll off for about 10 years. The hook lifts were not even around when I built mine. I used mine to haul my bobcat to jobsites and then used as a dump truck while on the job. The one thing I know with roll offs is you can control the lift angle of the bin. I'm not totally sure if a hook lift can be done the same way. As an example if you had a dump load of mud a roll off could keep it in the bin without it coming out the back. I watched a hook lift and in that case it would have half a load dumped on the sidewalk. Others with hook lifts can chime in and tell me if I am right or not. Doug

CM1995 · Apr 18, 2014

The lift/load angle is lower on a cable hoist than a hook lift, however I doubt you would dump 1/2 a load of mud unless it was slurry, picking it up with a hook. We never had an issue with the contents of the box falling out the back when picking it up with a hook and we had a 60K hook lift but we never hauled any slurry.

Reel hip · Apr 19, 2014

CM1995 said:
The lift/load angle is lower on a cable hoist than a hook lift, however I doubt you would dump 1/2 a load of mud unless it was slurry, picking it up with a hook. We never had an issue with the contents of the box falling out the back when picking it up with a hook and we had a 60K hook lift but we never hauled any slurry.

Thanks, That's why I posted. I wasn't sure of a hook lift. The design seemed solid though. An added plus was no cables to replace.

bins · May 25, 2014

Everyone talks bad about small trucks. Looks like SAMs hauling in doing pretty good in Denver. 10 trucks with only 270 cans.

Jojosiah3 · May 31, 2014

If your going to start small, A small hooklift would be easy enough.

Nac · Jun 1, 2014

I have a single axle hooklift 33,000 gvw and a tri axle cable rolloff 80,000 gvw. On more than one instance I have dropped box with the hooklift and when going to pick them up I could not because they where over weight. I had on customer fill a 20 cy with pavers with no airspace. luckily I order my hooklift box's with hook and cable hookups.

minibin · Jun 13, 2014

Drewster,

Found this post and had to reset my password as it has been along time since using the site although I lurk often. 7 years ago I joined the forum to ask similar questions. I had never owned a diesel and had no experience with hooklifts. I now own 5 and all of them get used every day. We have 20ft seacans, hooklift salters, hooklift cranes, hooklift bins of all size from 8 yard to 30 yards.

I have made every mistake you can make with a hooklift. Wrong size trucks, wrong hook height, variable hook height systems. My best advice would be to truly understand how to plan your hooklift height and bin length to be compatible with a different size chassis. I have been limited several times bye compatibility issues.
Many people start with 36" hooks that will challenge then as you grow or sell. The previous post of making bins both hooklift and cable lift is also great advice .

Thanks again for the advice I received 7 yrs ago from HEF site members. I was one of those people with a dream and no money. I still have no money but I have a crap load of equipment now.

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