Daves latest thread!!

dave esterns · Jan 24, 2013

so i been cruisin in old faithful while the jcb is in the shop. it is definitely a love hate relationship with the bobcat. i always did maintain that that thing sucks all the dirt right into the cab for some reason. i can really boogie with the controls though.

now that i have spent some time in the jcb, i really do feel unsafe safe around the bobcat. first of all in a fire situation, you could easily die getting trapped in that cab. i get slightly claustrophobic in it now. also, clambering over buckets and such i find to be super hazardous now too, not to mention getting out with the boom in the air.

jcbiron, have you been hearing any feedback on the electric controls yet?

so my buddy had a case 90xt which he loved obviously, then went to a case 445 s3 and thought it was alright, then bought a sv 250 and hated everything about it. but now has an sr200 and likes it for the most part.

Dinger49 · Jan 24, 2013

All I can say is I'm glad its not my skidsteer in the video.
Michelin makes premium products for a premium market. Not every skid steer is going to benefit from the technology, but if you have an application that justifies a premium product, it is an investment, not an expense. My old Gehl 7810 only gets about 100 hr a year and the pneumatic tires are adequate for its application. I have Michelin tires on a couple of farm tractors and wouldn't trade them for anything else, even though they are somewhat more expensive.

durallymax · Jan 26, 2013

We'll be putting a set of the Tweel's on our 262C2. Talked to one of the people at Michelin Tweel about them on Friday as I was thinking about them for our Barn 242B3 which will need tires this spring. Today one of the workers stabbed the bale spears through the two front tires on the 262C2 and ruined them beyond repair. Still had a good 75% tread or so I would say. Got some bald ones to hold it over while we wait for the Tweel's to show up.

I asked him how they dealt with debris getting in the fingers. He said in all of the testing that they have done the fingers have kept themselves clean by ejecting anything that gets into them due to them constantly flexing and contracting. He said they resist buildup of mud and most likely manure as well due to constant movement of them. Makes sense to me.

He said they will be having people get the Tweel's retreaded at local retread shops. They don't plan on having an exchange program for them at this time and do not know if they will. He said the weight of them would make it too costly to send them back to North Carolina to be retreaded. They weigh around 200lbs new. Cost of retreading would be dependent on the local shop that does them.

He said the solid tires with the holes through them were originally designed to allow better curing of the rubber. With a solid tire the outside ends up over-cured and brittle, the holes allow them to cure the inside easier and keep the outside soft. The side-effect of this process was a tire with slightly better ride and appearance that it "squished". Made sense and sounds legit, but it is the competions products so take it for what it is worth.

The Tweel's look like they will be nice. I really hope that they perform as well as they say and show when turning short on pavement or with the boom in the air. The bias pneumatic and solid tires like to make the skid steer dance a lot. The Tweel and their radial both are supposed to combat this as they release the tension slowly and in a controlled way versus abruptly like the bias and solid tires.

I will definately be sure to keep this thread updated on their performance on this machine. This machine gets used for everything else on the farm. One 242B3 is used for scraping pens, bedding pens, pushing feed and carrying some bales around. The other 242B3 is used primarily for feeding and move bales and pallets of feed around as well. The 262C2 gets the rest of the jobs, picking rocks, moving bales, moving bedding, building fencelines, grubbing out trees and old fencelines, moving snow and anything else its needed for.

If this set fairs well and we decide we like them, the Barn 242B3 will probably get a set as it will need some in spring time. The Feeding one should make it untill next fall/winter

AlloaExcavating · Jan 27, 2013

Wow , i would never hire anyone who runs a skid like that.Prying excessively on the hammer tip , balancing slabs on top of the hammer, throwing the slabs into the truck instead of gently placing them on the bottom of the trailer as to not dent it,pinching the hyd hoses with the slabs,then the guy with the bucket, picking up more base material then concrete(here you could turned away at the recycling facility for not having clean loads)

CM1995 · Jan 27, 2013

AlloaExcavating said:
Wow , i would never hire anyone who runs a skid like that.Prying excessively on the hammer tip , balancing slabs on top of the hammer, throwing the slabs into the truck instead of gently placing them on the bottom of the trailer as to not dent it,pinching the hyd hoses with the slabs,then the guy with the bucket, picking up more base material then concrete(here you could turned away at the recycling facility for not having clean loads)

I agree. Those guys remind me of a paver I know, always balls to the wall. He will run his motor grader full throttle and then kill the ignition with it in gear. All his guys run WOT and then just shut the machine off. Then this guy cusses and throws things when his equipment breaks down, which is often.

ointhead Last job he and I were on at the same time, he was using his Case 580 as an asphalt profiler, I felt sorry for the old Case.

JCBiron · Jan 31, 2013

dave esterns said:
jcbiron, have you been hearing any feedback on the electric controls yet?

Dave,

We sell many more large platform machines than small, so my experience is somewhat limited at this point, but I haven't heard anything bad out of the guys that are running the EH controls (yet!). I think overall, JCB did a fine job with the feel and responsiveness of the controls. I'm sure some would and can argue that a sensitivity adjustment would be welcomed, since everyone has their own preference, but I think they started at a happy medium. We will be getting ISO/H-pattern switching later this year on both the small platform and large platform (which are also getting EH for T4i). Who knows, maybe there will be an adjustment feature too? Haven't heard anything at this point.

How do you like the EH controls?

dave esterns · Feb 1, 2013

JCBiron said:
Dave,

We sell many more large platform machines than small, so my experience is somewhat limited at this point, but I haven't heard anything bad out of the guys that are running the EH controls (yet!). I think overall, JCB did a fine job with the feel and responsiveness of the controls. I'm sure some would and can argue that a sensitivity adjustment would be welcomed, since everyone has their own preference, but I think they started at a happy medium. We will be getting ISO/H-pattern switching later this year on both the small platform and large platform (which are also getting EH for T4i). Who knows, maybe there will be an adjustment feature too? Haven't heard anything at this point.

How do you like the EH controls?

i have heard they will have a sensitivity dial on the newer models. do you know of any other changes they will be making? the EH i am satisfied with at this point. when we first got the machine we had them make some adjustments with the pressures on the EH and found out real fast you dont wanna mess with it. so we returned it to factory settings; the only time i feel the controls could use some kinda tweaking is when your trying to rotate the machine in tight spaces. but when your just out and about moving bales around, loading the spreader, moving a pile of dirt around, plowing snow, etc they work just beautiful. originally they were supposed to have the pattern changer right off the bat on the smaller models but that never made it i guess. i would like to have it mainly just for fun, and to become competent with every pattern out there.

so i went to get in the bobcat the other day and the loader had settled so it was right in front of the door at that point so i had to squeeze through the 4 inch space and bend the door to get in; i was like whats up with this?!

durallymax · Feb 1, 2013

dave esterns said:
i have heard they will have a sensitivity dial on the newer models. do you know of any other changes they will be making? the EH i am satisfied with at this point. when we first got the machine we had them make some adjustments with the pressures on the EH and found out real fast you dont wanna mess with it. so we returned it to factory settings; the only time i feel the controls could use some kinda tweaking is when your trying to rotate the machine in tight spaces. but when your just out and about moving bales around, loading the spreader, moving a pile of dirt around, plowing snow, etc they work just beautiful. originally they were supposed to have the pattern changer right off the bat on the smaller models but that never made it i guess. i would like to have it mainly just for fun, and to become competent with every pattern out there.

so i went to get in the bobcat the other day and the loader had settled so it was right in front of the door at that point so i had to squeeze through the 4 inch space and bend the door to get in; i was like whats up with this?!

Running H pattern with EH controls isn't as easy as it seems. You are no longer physically moving sticks forward and back. The guys that prefer that pattern and are used to it on the bobcats, but know the Iso pattern as well are always running the 262 on Iso. They said its like having to learn a different pattern again so its just easier to run iso. Its nice for random people that jump in though.

Take the attachment off before you park it next time. haha.

dave esterns · Mar 17, 2013

ic they brought us out a brand new jcb 205 to use while ours is in the shop getting the boom worked on. boom has not hit the cab on the new one thus far. it did with ours when it was new. im impressed the new 205 is exactly the same as ours. there is something to be said about jcb just having the standard jcb controls that work the same from machine to machine.

our neighbor bought a new new holland skid loader. sv250 equivalent or something. kept it but bought a deere 6 months later hes not to impressed with the new holland.

amscontr · Apr 4, 2014

durallymax said:
We'll be putting a set of the Tweel's on our 262C2. Talked to one of the people at Michelin Tweel about them on Friday as I was thinking about them for our Barn 242B3 which will need tires this spring. Today one of the workers stabbed the bale spears through the two front tires on the 262C2 and ruined them beyond repair. Still had a good 75% tread or so I would say. Got some bald ones to hold it over while we wait for the Tweel's to show up.

I asked him how they dealt with debris getting in the fingers. He said in all of the testing that they have done the fingers have kept themselves clean by ejecting anything that gets into them due to them constantly flexing and contracting. He said they resist buildup of mud and most likely manure as well due to constant movement of them. Makes sense to me.

He said they will be having people get the Tweel's retreaded at local retread shops. They don't plan on having an exchange program for them at this time and do not know if they will. He said the weight of them would make it too costly to send them back to North Carolina to be retreaded. They weigh around 200lbs new. Cost of retreading would be dependent on the local shop that does them.

He said the solid tires with the holes through them were originally designed to allow better curing of the rubber. With a solid tire the outside ends up over-cured and brittle, the holes allow them to cure the inside easier and keep the outside soft. The side-effect of this process was a tire with slightly better ride and appearance that it "squished". Made sense and sounds legit, but it is the competions products so take it for what it is worth.

The Tweel's look like they will be nice. I really hope that they perform as well as they say and show when turning short on pavement or with the boom in the air. The bias pneumatic and solid tires like to make the skid steer dance a lot. The Tweel and their radial both are supposed to combat this as they release the tension slowly and in a controlled way versus abruptly like the bias and solid tires.

I will definately be sure to keep this thread updated on their performance on this machine. This machine gets used for everything else on the farm. One 242B3 is used for scraping pens, bedding pens, pushing feed and carrying some bales around. The other 242B3 is used primarily for feeding and move bales and pallets of feed around as well. The 262C2 gets the rest of the jobs, picking rocks, moving bales, moving bedding, building fencelines, grubbing out trees and old fencelines, moving snow and anything else its needed for.

If this set fairs well and we decide we like them, the Barn 242B3 will probably get a set as it will need some in spring time. The Feeding one should make it untill next fall/winter

We do a lot of demolition and brush clearing work and had the same issues in regards to the Tweel. Was at a Tire Dealer that sold them and as far as he knew the only people he sold any to were Dairy Farmers.
You would almost think they could develop a Sidewall to shield out any debris/objects. 1 miserable piece of Rebar can ruin anyone's day.

durallymax · Apr 4, 2014

amscontr said:
We do a lot of demolition and brush clearing work and had the same issues in regards to the Tweel. Was at a Tire Dealer that sold them and as far as he knew the only people he sold any to were Dairy Farmers.
You would almost think they could develop a Sidewall to shield out any debris/objects. 1 miserable piece of Rebar can ruin anyone's day.

They have been working good for us, we have sliced a few "tendons" but it hasn't hurt the performance. I probably wouldn't want them where side injury is common though like in demo. Great tread life though. Getting close to 2000hrs on half tread.

dave esterns · Apr 9, 2014

so i vaguely remember someone commenting that j c b s are harder to get in and out of than a traditional skid steer, that is absolutely not true. i also recall him saying cases are better and that j c b s are junk. the local mechanic who works on cases says he wouldn't buy one; lots of trouble with tier 4. just looking at the pics of the wacker neuson i would say they have case new holland and deere beat right at the get go.

jsinpa · Apr 9, 2014

So the Cases in Tier are having lots of trouble?!! Don't get me nervous, because I'm looking at the Case SR220's...

KSSS · Apr 9, 2014

jsinpa said:
So the Cases in Tier are having lots of trouble?!! Don't get me nervous, because I'm looking at the Case SR220's...

Consider the source of the information. I would read back through the posts over the past couple years and decide for yourself if the information is credible.

dave esterns · Apr 10, 2014

KSSS said:
Consider the source of the information. I would read back through the posts over the past couple years and decide for yourself if the information is credible.

What I always have good information! All I'm doing is citing the local guy who works on them. If case customer service is anything like Jcb customer service I wouldn't worry about problems they're having because they will simply solve them. But I would definitely recommend more than a six month warranty which a lot of the machines have I do enjoy the five-year Jcb warranty it is handy. I think it was an extra $1400 for the additional three years over the standard two years which I found to be a no-brainer

KSSS · Apr 10, 2014

dave esterns said:
What I always have good information! All I'm doing is citing the local guy who works on them. If case customer service is anything like Jcb customer service I wouldn't worry about problems they're having because they will simply solve them. But I would definitely recommend more than a six month warranty which a lot of the machines have I do enjoy the five-year Jcb warranty it is handy. I think it was an extra $1400 for the additional three years over the standard two years which I found to be a no-brainer

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CASE is currently running 3 year 3000 hour warranty. I know of no machine that only comes with a 6 month warranty other than my Polaris RZR. I would like to here more of these Tier 4i issues. Some guy posts about liking CASE better than JCB and suddenly you know a mechanic that works on CASE machines that says they are having trouble? Considering the experience FPT has in this area, I would be very surprised of any major issues popping up, certainly I would have heard about it. The WN machine will cause fits for some OEMs, no doubt about that.

JCBiron · Apr 10, 2014

KSSS said:
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here more

...hear more....

Sorry, It's been quite some time since I've posted, and had to take the opportunity to bust your b*lls on the typo...

jsinpa · Apr 10, 2014

KSSS,

thanks for the input...seeing how I only joined this forum here about a month ago and asked you about the Case machines since that is what you run, I should have known better as you have given me great and trustful information..

so this may sound dumb, but is FPT a member on here? or is that something else? still picking up on the lingo in here..Sorry!!

dave esterns · Apr 10, 2014

i feel that k s s makes this forum slant case more than it does j c b!

i didn't get into much detail but i believe the issues were cold weather related. i assume this means keeping them running in -30 to -20 degrees F.

i believe my buddies case sr200 he bought a few years back had a 6 month warranty.

since we are getting back into which machines are better, I have yet to find anyone who thinks case has moved forward with their new new holland machines. the days of the 90xt and the 440s3 are gone; both machines i would have considered owning. i probably would have bought a 440 back in the day if they weren't so expensive when a regular old s185 would do for our operation.

how anyone can conclude case makes the best machine is beyond me.

i am very open minded believe it or not. and am not loyal to any brand.

durallymax · Apr 10, 2014

dave esterns said:
What I always have good information! All I'm doing is citing the local guy who works on them. If case customer service is anything like Jcb customer service I wouldn't worry about problems they're having because they will simply solve them. But I would definitely recommend more than a six month warranty which a lot of the machines have I do enjoy the five-year Jcb warranty it is handy. I think it was an extra $1400 for the additional three years over the standard two years which I found to be a no-brainer

You do realize that the mechanic at the case dealership is not really the best source of info? Of course he sees they have issues it's his job. He doesn't go out to all of the machines that don't have issues just to say hi. He works on broken ones.

All emissions equipment causes issues. It's mechanical so it will break. Over time things get better. I don't think any one OEM is better than the other in this area and like I have said before I think it's foolish to buy a machine solely based on emissions equipment.

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