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Cat classic parts?

rmk4x4

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i am working on a D6D and my localish cat dealer gave me prices for cat and classic parts these are final drive parts and told me only use the classics if the machine is not used a lot. Are they junk or good enough for the average user this is farm dozer
 

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If it is an internal part, stay away. If it is track items, muffler etc they are fine. I wish cat would have never offered classic parts for major components. Bearings are a big one that I wish they would have never done.
 

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I would also stay away from Cat Classic Parts if they were critical items like say a shaft, a bearing, or a gear. For something like a cover, plate, muffler, etc, they would be fine especially on a machine that does not clock up a lot of hours every year.
 

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As an owner of an older CAT machine, you've got my attention here. What is the inferiority of the CAT Classic parts exactly? I was under the impression that CAT Classic was simply a different pricing structure applied to older CAT parts, but it seems I am wrong. Not the first time and certainly won't be the last!
 

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As an owner of an older CAT machine, you've got my attention here. What is the inferiority of the CAT Classic parts exactly? I was under the impression that CAT Classic was simply a different pricing structure applied to older CAT parts, but it seems I am wrong. Not the first time and certainly won't be the last!
If it was a different pricing structure applied to "older" parts then the Part Number would stay the same. Cat Classic Parts have totally different Part Numbers to the "genuine full-fat" Part Number.

Again I would have no issues using Classic Parts on something like a farm machine for non-critical stuff. However they are cheaper for a reason.
 

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Bought these for a friend of ours, for a 50's era D6, needed a set of lower rollers, would not do it again as the quality control seemed to be out to lunch. He was happy with the price tag, I just had to deal with the poorer fit and finish when installing for him.
 

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You might as well buy aftermarket parts to start with as oppossed to the Cat classic parts because that is what you are getting. The I have used a lot of CGR aftermarket parts and have been mostly happy with the parts quality. The Cat classic parts are just aftermarket parts that are reboxed and the price increased.
 

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Cat guy I deal with said cat farms out there specs to "local" machine shops for classic parts. I used them when I rebuild a torque divider in a d8h and had no problems. But it sounds like no body else is to impressed. I know the savings was huge like half price
 

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I have had a lot of classic parts that aren't finished properly and won't fit or have surface problems. I would say stay away from them on internal parts unless you hardly use the machine. External parts are ok .
 

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I don't remember the specifics but my mechanic put CAT classic parts in a critical place and it failed and he had to take it all apart at his expense to get it straight. He said never again would he do CAT classic parts atleast not internally.
 

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thanks for the info I am still not sure on what I will do the classic parts are less than half the price. I think I am going to try the bearing supple house for the bearing and races. then maybe get the cat gear I need
 

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I don't remember the specifics but my mechanic put CAT classic parts in a critical place and it failed and he had to take it all apart at his expense to get it straight. He said never again would he do CAT classic parts at least not internally.
That would be the just the same case for genuine parts. The warranty cover applies to the parts themselves not to the labour required to remove & install them. If the part that failed caused damage to other parts around it then it would be up to the dealer who supplied the part to make a case to the manufacturer for goodwill support to cover the cost of the failure. That goodwill support might include a contribution towards the labour to strip and rebuild.

thanks for the info I am still not sure on what I will do the classic parts are less than half the price. I think I am going to try the bearing supple house for the bearing and races. then maybe get the cat gear I need.
Usually Cat bearings are made to Cat designs and are somewhat different in size to standard bearings. You may get lucky though and find something that fits. I would use a genuine Cat gear rather than a Classic TBH.
 
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I too have found some of the Classic parts to be unfinished. Nothing like getting a new alternator pulley and driving 70 miles to install and find out the bore had a lip on it so that it wouldn't even fit on the shaft. The voices were telling me that they did that on purpose to justify the corporate propaganda of Caterpillar quality. A damn little Cat alternator pulley DOES NOT need to cost $401 either, compared to $130.50 for the Classic version.
 

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I recently had to replace the tie rods and ends on my 416C Backhoe. The Cat part was 550$ per side. The classics were 180$ or in that ball park. I had no problem using these but they are just tie rods and ends. We will see how they hold up. They have around 400 hours since last fall installation. I'm glad I read this , about internal parts etc. If it would fair up around here we can get some more run time in.
 

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Not dozer related but I just bought 2 Classic floor rollers for our 623F @ $136 compared to $512 for the original, I'll gamble for that difference. Cat pricing on some things has gone crazy
 

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For older parts I first go looking for "new old stock" which has been bought from Cat dealers who don't want to stock it any longer
 

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Yair . . .

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Wow, I didn't know that. I thought at least in bearings Cat would use industry standards . . . thanks Nige you are "mine" of information.

Cheers.
That's why if you look at a bearing that comes out of a Cat box it will generally have "Cat" and the Part Number stamped on it rather than a bearing manufacturer's name and a standard bearing number. As an example wheel bearings for the big off-highway trucks are made by Timken under an exclusive design agreement with Cat, let's face it they invested millions in developing the bearings, they're not going to sell them to every man and his dog afterwards. They will not sell that bearing to the world in general through any bearing supplier. Obviously that's a pretty specialized bearing but there are plenty of other similar examples.
 

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Yair . . . I used to look in wonder at the engineering in F/D self aligning outboard bearings on the Allis 21's.

If you bought the genuine part from Allis the rollers were narrow waisted like a dumbbell and the races were convex . . . a much cheaper aftermarket replacement had more conventional barrel shaped rollers in concave races.

I believe the more conventional aftermarket units gave better service.

Cheers.
 

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in 2013 I purchased an aftermarket exhaust stack for my 1992 D4c dozer. cost for aftermarket was $46.22. genuine cat stack is $226. so I opted to try the cat classic for $46.22. bolted right on and it fits just fine. after about 50-60 hours, the finish burned off and the stack got some surface rust. also when replacing the old genuine cat that I had purchased years before, I noticed that the classic one was quite a bit thinner and lighter than original.

moral of the story is you get what you pay for. but I will admit it doesn't hurt my pride as much when I bend the classic one while pushing brush.
 
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