Pouring in new fluids, embarrassed to ask this...but the manual hasn't come yet. 580c

Digginit580c · Dec 17, 2013

So I take it the motot oil gets poured into the canister looking thing above the oil filter? Is there a pre filter in that "canister looking thing"? Or do you add oil thru the dipstick tube. And I checked the shuttle oil level and sadly it doesn't even show on the dip stick. Do you pour the shuttle oil down the dipstick hole? I'm not tempted to add oil in thru the radiator or anything

but just wana make sure cuz I'm too impatient to wait for the manual. She's THIRSTY!! Haha.
Oh and I was sad to see all the grease zerks looked like they hadn't seen any action in years. Not so anymore! All I could find are now pumped full of fresh red-n-tacky.

Oh, any guess on how many pumps of grease to put in the zerks on the rear outer of rear axle, right near the wheels? I gave them about 8-10. ???

Bill Smith · Dec 18, 2013

UM I think you better wait for the manual

Digginit580c · Dec 18, 2013

Lol. Why can't they make it a little more obvious? I've never had a problem on trucks, dirtbikes, ATVs, small engines etc. Is it something like, "oh well it's common knowledge that you take out the 4th manifold bolt from the left and thread in a funnel adapter" ? Ha.

Digginit580c · Dec 18, 2013

Ok I was in a hurry when I looked last time. The "canister looking thingy" above the oil filter has lines that go to the shuttle, and I'd be willing to guess there is a filter for the shuttle inside that. So I'm thinking that's also where you fill the shuttle oil from. As for pouring the motor oil in, The dipstick tube on the left side of the motor, just below and ahead of the fuel filters sure looks to be the place to pour in the oil. Am I getting warmer?

Delmer · Dec 18, 2013

Wish I could help you specifically, but in general on older engines you're looking for a cap that unscrews or a 1" diameter tube with a "boat plug" looking thingie in the top.

Digginit580c · Dec 18, 2013

Thanks Delmer. There is a little knurled 1" knob on the right side of the motor just behind the oil filter, but it has a little valve/button hole do-hicky in the middle of it, and it's not on a tube, just sticks right out of the block at an upward angle. That was going to be my next guess. I hope the manual gets here soon.

Digginit580c · Dec 18, 2013

Outasite · Dec 18, 2013

That looks like the tachometer drive!

Delmer · Dec 18, 2013

Yeah, is that a square recess in the middle there, then it's the tachometer drive, get that covered to keep dust and water out.

Is there any other caps or tubes sticking out of the front of the engine or the valve cover? Heck, just wait around, somebody will know right where it is. Is that a power steering pump or transmission pump above the oil filter?

jackleg · Dec 18, 2013

I'm new to this too. Here is what I did. A dipstick has to go where what ever fluid it is indicating is right? Engine oil through the dipstick tube left side below injection pump. The power Shuttle fluid through dipstick on right side angled foward above the starter (check this when running and warmed up). If yours is the mechanical shuttle os a fill plug on the side of the gearbox. Power steering is the "canister thing" near the alternator. There is also a transaxle dipstick undwr a cap in the cab floor forward of the seat and rear of the brake pedals.
The shuttle and power steeing take Case TCH fluid.

Digginit580c · Dec 18, 2013

Delmer I'll have to check if that dodad in the middle is a square for the tach drive. Maye I'll clean it up and silicone a 20oz bottle cap over that to keep it clean. That way I can just peal it off later. Thanks.

Ya, Jackleg I agree. I think I'll just do that (pour in the dipstick). I'm pretty sure mine is the mechanical shuttle, but I'm still trying to figure things out in the little time I get to tinker with this thing. So that canister deal in the right of the picture is for power steering eh? I was confued cuz it has lines going to the rear of the motor which I think is the shuttle. It must just be powered off the shuttle? I did get some TCH (fleet farm case equivalent). Next I gotta drain and fill the transaxle. Sounds like that takes 20 quarts of TCH?
Thanks again guys!!

alrman · Dec 18, 2013

You're a worry digginit......... Fill all components (engine; shuttle; transaxle) from dipstick. There is a filter inside the steering pump canister as well.
Transaxle would usually (in US cold climates) use 90W. (over here - 85/140)
If your machine has the shuttle dipstick above the starter motor, you have a power shuttle, not mechanical. - ( just added $2000 to the value of your machine

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mitch504 · Dec 18, 2013

Yep, definitely a tach drive.

Digginit580c · Dec 18, 2013

Thanks. That makes it a lot easier. The dipstick tubes are so thick, they look like they're meant to pour fluid thru. Or I guess they are....
I hope the power shuttle is in good shape. The fluid doesn't show on the dipstick at all (same with power steering) which might be why it didn't wana drive forward while it was cold. There's oil all over everything under this machine, so I'm worried I have multiple leaks. It's be nice if it was warmer and I could pressure wash it to make it easier to see what's all leaking. Should 5 minutes or so be long enough to let it idle before draining the oil? 10 minutes? I don't wana run it too long, that oil looks like nasty molasses! Maybe I should add some fresh oil before I let it idle? See alrman, I'm worrying again...lol.

Digginit580c · Dec 19, 2013

Well, not a great morning I've had. The tank heater went out and tripped the breaker in the house. Bought a new one, installed it, added coolant back in. Got the 580c started and it almost immediately started dumping coolant out. Probably a few quarts. Ran it about 5 minutes and drained the oil. There wasn't a lot of coolant in the oil but there was some. Hard to say how much. 1/2 quart or less I'm guessing.
Drained the power shuttle and only about 2 quarts or so came out. So I filled that with about 3 quarts and it started dumping out the fill hole so I figured it was over full (even tho I thought it takes 8 quarts??) Drained a little out until the dip stick looked about right at full mark. Started the machine up and let it idle for about 2 minutes and shut it off. Motor il is slightly over the full line but the shuttle doesn't show on the dip stick at all. IDK WTF is all wrong with this thing...

Outasite · Dec 19, 2013

The shuttle is not venting as your pouring in the oil,you will need to add oil then wait,then check,then add more till its full.Or wait till the manual gets there to find the proper fill point.You need to find the vent and clean it out.Coolant in the oil sounds like $$$$$

alrman · Dec 19, 2013

Digginit580c said:
Drained the power shuttle and only about 2 quarts or so came out. So I filled that with about 3 quarts and it started dumping out the fill hole so I figured it was over full (even tho I thought it takes 8 quarts??) Drained a little out until the dip stick looked about right at full mark. Started the machine up and let it idle for about 2 minutes and shut it off. Motor il is slightly over the full line but the shuttle doesn't show on the dip stick at all. IDK WTF is all wrong with this thing...

I forgot, we need to explain everything for you

To drain the shuttle oil efficiently, you need to drain the pan & also the convertor. You need to rotate the engine slowly by hand till the small drain plug appears at the inspection hole under the machine. To fill it, you put in the 2 or 3lt first & then start the engine. This fills the convertor; oil cooler & lines & allows the total 8lt (quarts) to be added.

Sorry, With regards the coolant issue - my money is still on the head gasket ..........

There is a wealth of information on here about all this stuff, look around the older threads you will learn all you need to know. :thumbsup

Digginit580c · Dec 19, 2013

Any guesses on what a head gasket job costs on these machines? Or sleeve gasket, if that's how this motor is, I hear it could be that too..??

Ron Burgundy · Dec 23, 2013

Digginit580c said:
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I'm pretty sure the fill on the right is steering fluid - but I guess someone probably told you that already. I seem to recall the oil fill being on the other side of the engine, about where you're pointing at.

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