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Cat HEUI pump failure

rare ss

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Makes me convinced to use the Cat engine oil filter

Biggest trouble is the feed for the HEUI pump does not get filtered oil, just straight fom the sump!.. bit like the old 33 series engines no1 main bearing got the same treatment, have a guess which one sh&t first

But your right bext thing to do is keep up with oil changes and use the best filter/s available
 

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Hmm we were thinking of buying a 2006 324 maybe we should steer clear our komatsu PC 210s have been no bother at all just dont hold money as well as a cat
 

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Ive got a cat c9 engine in my mobile crusher plant and i think my heui pump has failed the engine just cut out and wouldnt start, ive changed all fuel filters and ive got no injector leaks but if i crack a pipe off just after the heui fuel just dribbles out but if i prime it manually it fires fuel out. Ive had it running on easy start but ive had a diagnostic lamp flash code 39. Any help would be apreciated

There should be a fuel pump on the rear of the HUEI pump. Put a 100 psi pressure gauge on the tranfer pump and see what your pressure reading is. It should be around 70 psi. If not, change the pump.

We also had a screen installed on the HUEI so if the HUEI falls apart, it doesnt cost us 6 injectors. We change our oil at 150-190 hours I still loose a HUEI on our c-9 once a year. We are not able to get new anymore, just remans. The c-9 HUEI's should be used for boat anchors...........
 

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bauer BG 24 boring machine have cat c9 engine.we service it every 250 hours now its hour meter 11235.during this period we replaced 2 HEUI pump. access engineering sri lanka.
 

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There should be a fuel pump on the rear of the HUEI pump. Put a 100 psi pressure gauge on the tranfer pump and see what your pressure reading is. It should be around 70 psi. If not, change the pump.

We also had a screen installed on the HUEI so if the HUEI falls apart, it doesnt cost us 6 injectors. We change our oil at 150-190 hours I still loose a HUEI on our c-9 once a year. We are not able to get new anymore, just remans. The c-9 HUEI's should be used for boat anchors...........

Where did you get the screen to put in the pump and where did you install it.I talked to my mechanic and he had a hard time thinking just a screen would work,because of usually it being fine metal and would pass through the screen and still getting to the injectors.

On the post above about about putting a spin on filter in line to catch metal sounds good ,but Huei pump is putting out around 3000 lbs pressure so would a spin on filter stand that kind of pressure?

Like the idea of filtering the oil out of the pump before it gets to the injectors.Not sure what to use or how to do it ,and where to get it. Need ideas! Nige you have any info on something to try or use?
 

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A screen wouldn't have helped our failure, the fine shavings that I saw would not have been caught by a screen. We had an earlier serial number GJB (D6R XL III) that had a HUEI fail. Ended up pulling the plug on the back of the head and found fine metal shavings in the draining oil. We did a cylinder cut-out, isolated one weak injector; replaced pump (Cat Reman), flushed the rail and changed one injector (crossed our fingers, owner didn't like the idea of changing all six injectors.) After a few hours the machine was skipping again, another couple injectors showing weak. Called local Cat dealer, let them send a mechanic to it for warranty purposes. Cat changed all injectors and warrantied the Reman pump that we installed, machine ran about 10 hours and the same thing happened again. Cat had to eat the injector and labor cost this time, thankfully.

Final tally was three HUEI pumps failed within 20 hours of operation.

Pressure would most likely be too high to filter between the HUEI and the unit injectors, and screens would probably increase the possibility of cavitation which would affect injector actuation performance.
 

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Hi there, I ran a fleet of D6 r's& T's for a number of years.
In the early days, yea I had this problem.
One series 11 D6R was so bad that in bad temper one day I called the low loader and took it back to the yard.
I then pulled the cylinder head of and steam cleaned the actuation rail for hours ( I was in quite a rage ).
After rebuilding, installed 6 injectors and a pump, and expected it to start missing within the week.
It didn't, 2000 hours later she was traded in and never had another injector.
I developed my own procedure for flushing out the actuation rail in the cylinder head in situe after this, had had good results.
 

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Where did you get the screen to put in the pump and where did you install it.I talked to my mechanic and he had a hard time thinking just a screen would work,because of usually it being fine metal and would pass through the screen and still getting to the injectors.

On the post above about about putting a spin on filter in line to catch metal sounds good ,but Huei pump is putting out around 3000 lbs pressure so would a spin on filter stand that kind of pressure?

Like the idea of filtering the oil out of the pump before it gets to the injectors.Not sure what to use or how to do it ,and where to get it. Need ideas! Nige you have any info on something to try or use?

The Ford power strokes uses a in line filter on thier HUEI pumped engines. I used the same in line filter on the C-9 (it fits). This screen is a very fine screen. It will plug up fast when the HUEI falls apart and the engine will die due to the lack of oil going to the injectors. It is mounted coming right off the HUEI pump. We always clean the fuel rail in the head on HUEI failures and this screen catches the fines from what we seen cleaning the fuel rails out on a failure. Two pump failures so far and no injectors replaced so far.
 
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The Ford power strokes uses a in line filter on thier HUEI pumped engines. I used the same in line filter on the C-9 (it fits). This screen is a very fine screen. It will plug up fast when the HUEI falls apart and the engine will die due to the lack of oil going to the injectors. It is mounted coming right off the HUEI pump. We always clean the fuel rail in the head on HUEI failures and this screen catches the fines from what we seen cleaning the fuel rails out on a failure. Two pump failures so far and no injectors replaced so far.

Thanks for the information.
 

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C7 HEUI Pump failures

Just been reading about some issues with HEUI pump failures. I work in offshore oil and gas and we use C7 for gensets at around 200-250kWe (at 1800 RPM) on three of our offshore vessels. We've had a number of HEUI pump failures on all three vessels and one engine had less than 1000 hours, and on that particular engine it was also found that the top piston rings had been put in upside down (when manufactured). From our experience it is worth doing oil samples every 250 hours (at the oil change) and as soon as you see the iron level start to rise it's a good indicator that the thrust bearing in the HEUI pump is probably on it's way out. Another indicator (combined with high iron content in the oil) is the repeated failure of injectors (for us is was typically #1 or #6 injector). Caterpillar has upgraded the size of the thrust bearing in the HEUI pump and the part number is now at revision 2 (where the thrust bearing and pump casing is physically larger). If you put the original or rev 1 pump next to the rev 2 pump you can see the size difference in the pump casings. The HEUI principle is good for economy and emmisions at low load, but the poor engineering in the sizing of the HEUI pump thrust bearing on the rev 1 pumps (being undersize for the load borne) borders on being classified as a latent defect. On the last failure I experienced we ordered a replacement pump and received a rev 1 pump, but when the CAT Tech turned up to install it he had a rev 2 pump with him. When I asked the difference he reluctantly showed me the difference in the casing. The rev 2 pump also came with a service bulletin and fuel system checklist. Needless to say we installed the rev 2 pump, removed the injectors and HEUI pipework thoroughly cleaned the gallery and pipes, then reinstalled the same injectors with new o-rings and have had no further problems. Hope this helps some other sufferer's out there.
 

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Got a HEUI pump on a 12h -C9 showing erratic fuel pressures which is by the book is a failing pump . but also brings on the oil press light at times

s/n CBK 00801
 

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First experienced trouble with a Cat HEUI pump in 1988. These pumps do NOT like nor tolerate water or dirt in fuel! Expensive to repair or replace, plus all the labor cleaning out the lines, not to mention likely replacing the injectors. Then there is the downtime as well.

Cat has never had the greatest fuel filtering systems and I have modified many a rig with additional or better quality filter setups. Far as I'm concerned, the HEUI's are junk engineering, but there isn't, so far as I know, a complete and better replacement. I strongly recommend having the Cat house send out a skilled and experienced technician to do anything with these systems. They then get to pay all the costs when it goes bad again within the warranty period.
 

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They will just say your fuel is bad and the problem is yours.
 

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That's why you sample every load of fuel you get, John. I got caught out with fuel problems in a couple of states and learned this vital lesson. Fuel testing costs a hell of a lot less then paying $33,000.00 for a new injector pump and six nozzles, plus labor and all that. I should imaging it would be double that today. All that's needed to know is if there is water, bacteria, dirt, and what the BTU number is.
 

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Do you sample at the bulk tank, fuel truck or when you fill each piece of equipment? How many people refuel out of five gallon cans?

That brings up a thought. Has anyone ever seen a fuel test kit like they use in the military. It consisted of a vacuum pump that pulled a specified amount of fuel through a treated filter which would reveal solids or water contamination. I had to sample fuel every time we refueled a helicopter. That could be done between the bulk tank and the job tanks easy enough.

It looks to me like it may be a necessary evil going forward.
 

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Generally, I liked to sample fuel transport tanks BEFORE they broke the seals and unloaded. I tried to always have someone of my maintenance crew present when the trucks arrived. My guy observed the truck driver break the topside hatch seals and then drew samples off the bottom of the tank. Samples were physically inspected onsite and then sent to a sample test lab for a full analysis. This did not always get done, especially at the start of any given project, or at the end as well.

Exaample of getting burned: A newer Cat 245 excavator finished on another project in Maryland arrived on a job in West Virginia where I happened to be the Maintenance Manager. It seemed to operate alright and after final assembly, it began to work loading some 777 Cat end-dumps. within that first shift, the excavator engine began to act up. A check of the fuel filters detected visible water and unknown material in the filter pleats. Complete filter changes were performed as was a drainage of the fuel reservoir and cleaning all fuel feed and injection lines. Engine ran fine for an hour or so, then back to problems.

Local Cat house sent down a tech and he replaced the pump and injectors as well as doing everything we had done the day before. However, my master mechanic drew me aside and stated that on the previous project, he knew that the purchasing agent had made a deal with their fuel supplier to purchase returned home heating oil. This fuel was collected as part of a program the fuel supplier had with it's residential customers every fall before winter arrived. The supplier then offered it to the PA at a greatly reduced price and he bought several loads before the job was completed.

Problem was, all the heating oil was severely contaminated. The 245 HEUI system demands very clean fuel and it was overwhelmed to destruction. I had the fuel supplier for our project drain all the fuel from all the units we had and then refill them with new fuel. I also implemented a new fuel policy for our job that required fuel sampling, and a rigid changing of fuel filters at every 250 hour maintenance interval. Also required that adequate amounts of fuel conditioner be placed in unit fuel tanks per manufacturers instructions. (Conditioner manufacturers) This was winter 1998 and a exceptional cold front intruded over a weekend. We were the only earthmoving company operation 100% that Monday morning. Fact was, we were about the only outfit with diesel engines operating in a one hundred mile radius of the project. Even our fuel supplier could not get his trucks out as they were all froze up. Our corporate Equipment Manager called up from Dallas and stated comfortably that he expected we were shut down like everyone else in the area. Boy, was he surprised to hear that we were in full production with zero problems. I still have the letter of commendation our project manager wrote to me for enabling us to run. It a week or more before many companies in the area were able to get back up and running.

Another example: On a contract coal mining operation in West Virginia, The new corporate Equipment Vice-President and I were hired within a month or so of each other. He was a great friend and we had worked together before. We soon found that conditions with the equipment and lack of maintenance were far worse than he had so far known. So far as the fuel was concerned, we were burning about 20,000 gallons a day. We had 50,000 gallons of storage onsite. The storage system did not have any filtering in-line anywhere. The fuel arrived at all times of day and night and no one supervised the unloading. We got away with that situation during the summer and early fall, but before we could get a large commercial filter unit rigged up, winter hit and once again, a cold front moved in over a weekend and we came dangerously close to a shutdown because of lack of fuel. The current fuel transport firm had all it trucks froze up and could not meet their delivery goals.

Found out later (why is it always later?), that the fuel they were delivering was: "barge bottom sludge." The fuel was shipped out of Texas by barge up the various rivers to a fuel dock on the Kanawa River downstream from Charleston, WV. When the removal of fuel from the barges reached a certain level, the pumps were shut off and the "empty" barge moved aside to provide room for a full barge at the receiving dock. The remaining bottom fuel was then removed into a special tank that was designated to hold contaminated fuel. We paid that trucking firm for the fuel, not the people that delivered it upriver. The trucker naturally bought the cheapest product he could find and delivered it to us. It took me a while to catch on and get the straight story, but in a couple of weeks I fired that outfit and contracted with a trucking firm out of Charleston, actually the same company that saved our bacon by being able to deliver during that cold spell. Much gnashing of teeth and hair pulling later, corporate finally settled down and admitted that I made the right move.

I then initiated the same fuel system maintenance programs as I had done on the other project and, with the final assembly of the large filter at the fuel farm our troubles were over as regards fuel. The only reason I can figure why we didn't a greater problem with fuel before that was that we were using so much very quickly.

Lost production time due to fuel problems is a large number no matter what size the contractor or end user is. It pays off to have strict fuel purchasing and delivery systems in place right from the get go. I could probably write all night long on this subject with experiences concerning over 50 years in the heavy earthmoving and mining industries.

5 gallon cans of fuel are a bad move. Probably the best way to contaminate fuel there is. Use a tank mounted in the bed of a pickup, with a reasonably priced filter and electric pump assembly if you are into small quantites. I would not recommend sampling any reservoir of less than 4000 gallon capacity. But in that situation, demand sample reports from your supplier. If he does not want to do that, find a supplier that will.

Good luck to all.
 

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Generally, I liked to sample fuel transport tanks BEFORE they broke the seals and unloaded. I tried to always have someone of my maintenance crew present when the trucks arrived. My guy observed the truck driver break the topside hatch seals and then drew samples off the bottom of the tank. Samples were physically inspected onsite and then sent to a sample test lab for a full analysis. This did not always get done, especially at the start of any given project, or at the end as well.

Exaample of getting burned: A newer Cat 245 excavator finished on another project in Maryland arrived on a job in West Virginia where I happened to be the Maintenance Manager. It seemed to operate alright and after final assembly, it began to work loading some 777 Cat end-dumps. within that first shift, the excavator engine began to act up. A check of the fuel filters detected visible water and unknown material in the filter pleats. Complete filter changes were performed as was a drainage of the fuel reservoir and cleaning all fuel feed and injection lines. Engine ran fine for an hour or so, then back to problems.

Local Cat house sent down a tech and he replaced the pump and injectors as well as doing everything we had done the day before. However, my master mechanic drew me aside and stated that on the previous project, he knew that the purchasing agent had made a deal with their fuel supplier to purchase returned home heating oil. This fuel was collected as part of a program the fuel supplier had with it's residential customers every fall before winter arrived. The supplier then offered it to the PA at a greatly reduced price and he bought several loads before the job was completed.

Problem was, all the heating oil was severely contaminated. The 245 HEUI system demands very clean fuel and it was overwhelmed to destruction. I had the fuel supplier for our project drain all the fuel from all the units we had and then refill them with new fuel. I also implemented a new fuel policy for our job that required fuel sampling, and a rigid changing of fuel filters at every 250 hour maintenance interval. Also required that adequate amounts of fuel conditioner be placed in unit fuel tanks per manufacturers instructions. (Conditioner manufacturers) This was winter 1998 and a exceptional cold front intruded over a weekend. We were the only earthmoving company operation 100% that Monday morning. Fact was, we were about the only outfit with diesel engines operating in a one hundred mile radius of the project. Even our fuel supplier could not get his trucks out as they were all froze up. Our corporate Equipment Manager called up from Dallas and stated comfortably that he expected we were shut down like everyone else in the area. Boy, was he surprised to hear that we were in full production with zero problems. I still have the letter of commendation our project manager wrote to me for enabling us to run. It a week or more before many companies in the area were able to get back up and running.

Another example: On a contract coal mining operation in West Virginia, The new corporate Equipment Vice-President and I were hired within a month or so of each other. He was a great friend and we had worked together before. We soon found that conditions with the equipment and lack of maintenance were far worse than he had so far known. So far as the fuel was concerned, we were burning about 20,000 gallons a day. We had 50,000 gallons of storage onsite. The storage system did not have any filtering in-line anywhere. The fuel arrived at all times of day and night and no one supervised the unloading. We got away with that situation during the summer and early fall, but before we could get a large commercial filter unit rigged up, winter hit and once again, a cold front moved in over a weekend and we came dangerously close to a shutdown because of lack of fuel. The current fuel transport firm had all it trucks froze up and could not meet their delivery goals.

Found out later (why is it always later?), that the fuel they were delivering was: "barge bottom sludge." The fuel was shipped out of Texas by barge up the various rivers to a fuel dock on the Kanawa River downstream from Charleston, WV. When the removal of fuel from the barges reached a certain level, the pumps were shut off and the "empty" barge moved aside to provide room for a full barge at the receiving dock. The remaining bottom fuel was then removed into a special tank that was designated to hold contaminated fuel. We paid that trucking firm for the fuel, not the people that delivered it upriver. The trucker naturally bought the cheapest product he could find and delivered it to us. It took me a while to catch on and get the straight story, but in a couple of weeks I fired that outfit and contracted with a trucking firm out of Charleston, actually the same company that saved our bacon by being able to deliver during that cold spell. Much gnashing of teeth and hair pulling later, corporate finally settled down and admitted that I made the right move.

I then initiated the same fuel system maintenance programs as I had done on the other project and, with the final assembly of the large filter at the fuel farm our troubles were over as regards fuel. The only reason I can figure why we didn't a greater problem with fuel before that was that we were using so much very quickly.

Lost production time due to fuel problems is a large number no matter what size the contractor or end user is. It pays off to have strict fuel purchasing and delivery systems in place right from the get go. I could probably write all night long on this subject with experiences concerning over 50 years in the heavy earthmoving and mining industries.

5 gallon cans of fuel are a bad move. Probably the best way to contaminate fuel there is. Use a tank mounted in the bed of a pickup, with a reasonably priced filter and electric pump assembly if you are into small quantites. I would not recommend sampling any reservoir of less than 4000 gallon capacity. But in that situation, demand sample reports from your supplier. If he does not want to do that, find a supplier that will.

Good luck to all.



Interesting read. Your "policy" is as rigorous as what we had to do with JetA50 B train loads coming in for the aviation fuel farm I worked at.
 

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Generally, I liked to sample fuel transport tanks BEFORE they broke the seals and unloaded. I tried to always have someone of my maintenance crew present when the trucks arrived. My guy observed the truck driver break the topside hatch seals and then drew samples off the bottom of the tank. Samples were physically inspected onsite and then sent to a sample test lab for a full analysis. This did not always get done, especially at the start of any given project, or at the end as well.

Exaample of getting burned: A newer Cat 245 excavator finished on another project in Maryland arrived on a job in West Virginia where I happened to be the Maintenance Manager. It seemed to operate alright and after final assembly, it began to work loading some 777 Cat end-dumps. within that first shift, the excavator engine began to act up. A check of the fuel filters detected visible water and unknown material in the filter pleats. Complete filter changes were performed as was a drainage of the fuel reservoir and cleaning all fuel feed and injection lines. Engine ran fine for an hour or so, then back to problems.

Local Cat house sent down a tech and he replaced the pump and injectors as well as doing everything we had done the day before. However, my master mechanic drew me aside and stated that on the previous project, he knew that the purchasing agent had made a deal with their fuel supplier to purchase returned home heating oil. This fuel was collected as part of a program the fuel supplier had with it's residential customers every fall before winter arrived. The supplier then offered it to the PA at a greatly reduced price and he bought several loads before the job was completed.

Problem was, all the heating oil was severely contaminated. The 245 HEUI system demands very clean fuel and it was overwhelmed to destruction. I had the fuel supplier for our project drain all the fuel from all the units we had and then refill them with new fuel. I also implemented a new fuel policy for our job that required fuel sampling, and a rigid changing of fuel filters at every 250 hour maintenance interval. Also required that adequate amounts of fuel conditioner be placed in unit fuel tanks per manufacturers instructions. (Conditioner manufacturers) This was winter 1998 and a exceptional cold front intruded over a weekend. We were the only earthmoving company operation 100% that Monday morning. Fact was, we were about the only outfit with diesel engines operating in a one hundred mile radius of the project. Even our fuel supplier could not get his trucks out as they were all froze up. Our corporate Equipment Manager called up from Dallas and stated comfortably that he expected we were shut down like everyone else in the area. Boy, was he surprised to hear that we were in full production with zero problems. I still have the letter of commendation our project manager wrote to me for enabling us to run. It a week or more before many companies in the area were able to get back up and running.

Another example: On a contract coal mining operation in West Virginia, The new corporate Equipment Vice-President and I were hired within a month or so of each other. He was a great friend and we had worked together before. We soon found that conditions with the equipment and lack of maintenance were far worse than he had so far known. So far as the fuel was concerned, we were burning about 20,000 gallons a day. We had 50,000 gallons of storage onsite. The storage system did not have any filtering in-line anywhere. The fuel arrived at all times of day and night and no one supervised the unloading. We got away with that situation during the summer and early fall, but before we could get a large commercial filter unit rigged up, winter hit and once again, a cold front moved in over a weekend and we came dangerously close to a shutdown because of lack of fuel. The current fuel transport firm had all it trucks froze up and could not meet their delivery goals.

Found out later (why is it always later?), that the fuel they were delivering was: "barge bottom sludge." The fuel was shipped out of Texas by barge up the various rivers to a fuel dock on the Kanawa River downstream from Charleston, WV. When the removal of fuel from the barges reached a certain level, the pumps were shut off and the "empty" barge moved aside to provide room for a full barge at the receiving dock. The remaining bottom fuel was then removed into a special tank that was designated to hold contaminated fuel. We paid that trucking firm for the fuel, not the people that delivered it upriver. The trucker naturally bought the cheapest product he could find and delivered it to us. It took me a while to catch on and get the straight story, but in a couple of weeks I fired that outfit and contracted with a trucking firm out of Charleston, actually the same company that saved our bacon by being able to deliver during that cold spell. Much gnashing of teeth and hair pulling later, corporate finally settled down and admitted that I made the right move.

I then initiated the same fuel system maintenance programs as I had done on the other project and, with the final assembly of the large filter at the fuel farm our troubles were over as regards fuel. The only reason I can figure why we didn't a greater problem with fuel before that was that we were using so much very quickly.

Lost production time due to fuel problems is a large number no matter what size the contractor or end user is. It pays off to have strict fuel purchasing and delivery systems in place right from the get go. I could probably write all night long on this subject with experiences concerning over 50 years in the heavy earthmoving and mining industries.

5 gallon cans of fuel are a bad move. Probably the best way to contaminate fuel there is. Use a tank mounted in the bed of a pickup, with a reasonably priced filter and electric pump assembly if you are into small quantites. I would not recommend sampling any reservoir of less than 4000 gallon capacity. But in that situation, demand sample reports from your supplier. If he does not want to do that, find a supplier that will.

Good luck to all.
Wow I never knew a 3406 came with a HEUI pump.
Bob
 

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I am not aware of all heui set ups on all cat engines. The ones I have dealt with are 3126b and c7s. A hydraulic pump failure is often linked to two issues, oil contamination ( which has been covered) and cavitation. It would be advisable to address the suction line to the pump. On the heui pumps I have replaced( 3126b , c7) I also remove and disassemble the suction assembly and almost invariably find the orings to be hard and brittle, which I conclude to be cause of failure. Air bubbles will destroy the pump without a doubt.
 

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These are pictures of the suction assembly on a C7. The suction leak places are the crimps to rubber hose, oring where the pipe enters the plate, and the oring where the plate meets the engine block. IMO most common HUEI pump cause of failure , at least in my tiny slice.
 

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