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Ocala Excavision II

watglen

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Hi guys,

I'm just about to invest in an Ocala Excavision II for my 240, but wanted input from others who may have used them.

Not getting a lot of response on the computers/technology forum below.

Would this purchase be a mistake?

Thanks

Ken :confused:
 
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245dlc

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Never even heard of it. Can you explain what it is?
 

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oh yeah, sorry, i should have described it a bit.

It is a system that helps you pull grade by indicating the cutting edge position. There is a decent size lcd display in the cab where you set up your desired cutting depth, and the "getting close" depth. It beeps at you when you're getting close, then beeps differently when you get to depth.
It uses solid state angle sensors on the body, boom, stick and bucket to keep constant track of the those angles, so it can compute bucket position.

I've talked to some who love it, others seem to have had bad luck. I dont want to buy a doorstop.

Ken
 

Flewy_86

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Have you looked at the Prolec Digmaster 2D system? Very simple and easy to use.

Re the Ocala Excavision system, give yourself time to get used to it and thouroughly read the instructions and I think you'll find it a very useful asset.:)
 

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Hi guys,

I'm just about to invest in an Ocala Excavision II for my 240, but wanted input from others who may have used them.

Not getting a lot of response on the computers/technology forum below.

Would this purchase be a mistake?

Thanks

Ken :confused:

I know one guy that bought the excavision for his 160 case hoe. He said that it was to slow. I would think that a Apache +5 would be a better system and cheaper too.:)
 

watglen

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Well, we got the ExcavisionII installed and running yesterday. I played with it for about an hour, and i think it should work ok.

I am not the best operator so digging fine grade never really works that great for me. The unit is not able to keep up to the machine if you're moving quickly, so it seems the best way to use it is ignore it till you are are ready to do the last pass, then go really slowly.

This way, it works as you'ld expect. I have to get used to the beeps and bells. But it should be good, and it will allow me to dig grade without a stick man, probably faster than a stick man too.

I'll repost if my opinion changes though.

Thanks for the input.
 

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Perhaps one day excavator manufacturers will wake up and install these system from the factory. Then they may work quicker?
I think you have to compare the time it takes the system to calculate depth to the amount of time it takes for someone to check the grade manually or you get off the machine, grab the staff, climb in the hole and check your depth. Is it still slow?
How about installing trench boxes so your mate can safely get in there and check the depth, how much does that cost?
Basically you have to think of this system as your depth/grade checker, it is not an automatic digging aid, that is yet to come but will evolve out of these sort of systems.
From the advertisement it is claimed to improve production 10-40%:eek:that is not small change, especially if you are working on a per foot or job basis.
When I get a chance I am going to fit my dipper arm receiver onto my ex and see how I go with that.
What I find is that if I am working a large area to level I need to have a certain area level and then I can the rest pretty right. Most times I usually have someone to hold the level for me and that saves a lot of time but if I can get the level onto the dipper arm it may well cut another 20% off the time it takes to work to level.
 

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we took ours off they are ok if your doing rough grading but we found that we didnt have much luck with ours on basements or sewer lines. One thing to wach out for is to make sure the sensors are welded to your machine because the powerful magnets still move and realy screw stuff up in a hurry!
 

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Any updates on this watglen? Since the excavision II is faster with 5 updates per second can you "outrun" the monitor? From what ive read seems like everyone else's is real time?
 

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Yeah, ive done a lot of work with it this summer. You can easily outrun it at normal speeds, even going slow. If you want it to keep pace you have to go dead dead slow. Since that is out of the question, all i do is make a pass, then measure, then take however much it says i have "left to dig."

Other issues, the laser sensor is connected to a sender that transmits to the reciever in the cab. In order to bench off the laser, you set the stick so you have green flashing on the laser receiver. This sends voltage to the sending unit, which takes a sec to start sending a rebench signal to the controller in the cab. This whole process can take up to 5 secs, which feels like 5 hours.

The other day the wire broke on the laser receiver. Called the dealer and he told me to keep me going just to get the green lights flashing, and hit the "zero on laser button" which actually works much faster than waiting for it in automatic mode.

Long story short, don't pay the extra for the automatic benching kit, it works better without it.

It hangs every once in a while, but toggle the power and your going again in a few seconds. (Its windows based and hanging is what windows does best)

But other than these nuisance problems, you can definitely dig to grade better than you could with a stick man, and do it faster and cheaper. You never wait for the stick man to move his butt, or to get out of the way. I think that if you are really good at holding grade, the benefit diminishes because you don't need the stick man as often either. But for someone who isn't great (read bad) at grading, it means i can actually do the job. Without i'd be parked.

All in all, it works well for me, and it is generating interest for my machine.

Ken
 

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If i recall, the basic kit is 7500 cdn, then you can add the 4th sensor in the cab for another 1600. The 4th sensor measures the angle of the house so that as you turn the house it can compensate if the machine is not level all the time. I doesn't do much if you are operating on a road lets say. But if you are in the boonies and the machine is climbing up and over lots of stuff, it helps.

It also has the ability to add a 5th sensor, placed on a tilting bucket. That would be nice at times.

A couple other things, the machine size is limited to about 45 tonne, from what im told. This is because the transmit distance is short, and wont work if the bucket gets too far from the cab.

The sensors attach with two machine screws, which are conveniently trapped in the body of the sensor. This way you can pop all the sensors off and store them in cab when you are doing else, like clearing trees or whatever.

You can set up many different buckets and store them in the settings. Bucket setup is simple and quick to do.

During use, the screen you are looking at displays 3 basic bits of info, depth, reach, and left to dig. With that little bit of data, you find yourself measuring stuff. Its one of those things that you don't know what you're going to use it for till you get it, then you use it all the time.
 

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Thanks, I've been wondering about those. I don't do a lot of digging so at those prices I'll probably stick to a laser level and rod, at least until things pick up, but it would be nice. I do mostly cleanup, demolition, clearing, building logging roads and anything strange. In 15yrs in business for myself I've only dug 2 ponds and a few ditching jobs. I seem to be the fellow around here who does anything weird:beatsme:D
 

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I was experimenting with using a standard laser receiver and the "zero on grade button, but it wasn't coming close. I must have missed something in your explanation. Would you mind giving me a walk through?
 

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Sorry Dave, are you referring to me?

Assuming you have the whole system calibrated it should be pretty self explanatory.

Place your laser receiver on the stick where it was calibrated to, get your laser set up so you can find it with the receiver.

Get the green lights flashing on the receiver, and hit the zero on laser button. That rebenches the machine.

Not sure what you having trouble with specifically.


Ken
 

diggerdave13

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That's what I thought I was doing. Rejected calibration. Does the receiver have to be in direct alignment with the pivot pin and bucket pin?
 

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No, you should be able to place the boom/stick anywhere at all to get a solid tone, then hit zero on laser and it should reset the elevation of the machine.

Sounds like you need to calibrate the machine.

I had my rep do it for me when he sold it. Used a total station to pin point exactly the center points of all the various pins. Also, the location of the receiver has to be known to the computer. That means you calibrate the reciever in and mark that spot on the stick so it always gets mounted in the same exact spot.

Short story, start with a calibration. If you can find your instructions that will explain how. You may be able to download the instructions from the web.


One more thing, whenever mine starts acting up, i change bats in the sending units. That fixes it.

Problem mine has is the screen hangs rountinely during use. about once per hour it just quits responding.

Good luck


Ken
 
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