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Berger Manufacturing- Logging Equipment Built in Seattle

JTL

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If Erine's shop is next to the hospital in Forks, then yes that big set of drums is still there. I was working in Port Angeles last summer and took a trip out that way to do some window logging. There was also a couple 245's in various states of dis-array setting around there. I pulled into the parking lot, but there was a big mean looking dog standing there, with no people around, and I really didn't wanna become a meal for him, so I never got out of the pickup to take pictures! (I snapped some of one of the Marc VI's on down the road. They are posted on here a few pages back.)

As far as the winch cat/carriage goes, I know a man that helped Ernie design and build it. (I can't tell for sure, but he might be the guy running the 245 in that old Cat ad.) He used to work for the company I work for, but he retired a year or so ago. Anyway, a few of us were having some cocktails a few years back and got to talking about stuff. They called it the D7 carriage because it had a radiator and hard nose from an old 7, a Detroit of some sort for power wedged into an old truck frame with set of drums fabed on there. Now memory gets a little fuzzy, cause like I said we were having beverages! But something was said about a GT-3 setting up above the big Berger to run the carriage back and forth and someone setting on the carriage to run the drums on it when the electronics failed one time.
I really wish I knew more to share with ya about it.

I'm pretty sure Mr. Neilson is still alive, cause last summer when I was working over there, we were doing a fish pipe out on hiway 112. One day me and the project manager were standing there talking and this old Weyerhauser KW pulling an old bailing wired together lowboy with an equally wired and duct taped together Komatsu shovel came through the job. The guy driving was wearing an old Mac T hard hat, chewing on a cigar and looked older than dirt. I could almost make out the writting on the door that said Ernie Neilson, Forks that was wrote on there with a sharpie. I asked the pm, who has lived out that way his whole life if that was really Erine, and he said yes.
 

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I'm heading to Sitka for a few days in the morning, so I'll dig up that article when I get back; In the meantime, a carriage pic, big yarder pic, and a picture I took of the man hmself in the Summer of 2000 when I convinced him to stand still.

He is a Prince, and will help anyone who asks for help. He has forgotten more than I will ever learn.

I believe he told me the sheaves on the carriage were 60" but my memory gets fuzzy; they are large at any rate.
 

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Really excellent pictures. I am trying to locate some pictures, and in fact I don't know where any may exist. When I was 3 & 4 years old, our Dad ran a "sky hook". This was a carriage with the operator in it, that was our Dad. it yarded logs from the cold deck, right across the Squamish River. This of course was rigged on wood trees, in 1947 - 48. I still can remember it. What I remember very well was a little square house that Dad would lift in the morning with the riggin' crew in to take them across the river to the cold deck tree. I saw it a few times when Dad would take us over to see it

I spoke with my older brother about this this morning, because it seemed to me years ago our mom, (now deceased) had told me the name of the company who owned it. Unfortunately I can't remember and my brother couldn't either. I wonder if there is any one who knows of it.
 

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I believe I've seen Ernies truck around town or in the brush before. Also out past the hospital is Dahlgren Logging's shop. You might have seen their Marc VI. They have some older cat shovels too. I've heard that they own both Marc VI's now but this may not be true. Anyone else know if Ernie still owns his?
 

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Trucks: Several of us in here Southeast Alaska have been buying up the 'better' old trucks that have local area history/historic value due to ownership, etc. I have a half dozen trucks here I've picked up, all in useable/running condition and all will be easy restorations. This is the latest and is an ex- Ketchikan Pulp Company Kenworth 'Brute' tractor that I liked and I have been after it for several years. This picture was taken this morning upon her arrival in Juneau, and tonight she is asleep in a warm heated shop. It will be a neat worthwhile restoration and a fun truck to have around.

WAY off topic, but he asked and I love vintage timber trucks!
 

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Thats the truck and thats the man I saw driving it! The carriage looks a little differnt than I imangined it. Pretty awesome stuff. Thanks for sharing Rusty :)
 

Redwood Climber

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D7 Carriage and BIG Berger!

Thanks Mr. Grapple, those are cool pictures. That carriage is so cool... what loggers can think of and build. It looks as if it could pack a monster of a turn of logs! So I'm wondering if they used forward or reverse on the winch? Reverse looks as though it would line up with the sheave for the drop line. It must have had some kind of radio control....Talkie Tooter? I love the huge line separation between skidding line and skyline.....way fewer wraps to fight.

The drums on the yarder are HUGE!! The picture is deceiving on the size of those drums. I see two air pots for brakes on the skid drum, I'll bet it needed them. I'll bet there were lots of times it pulled a whole truck load of logs in one turn easy!!

She must have had a pretty good sized powerplant to do all that pulling. I wonder what kind of line speed it had. Did it have a model number or just BIG son of a BERGER?
Lots of questions...this forum is so cool...thanks again for the pictures....I keep on drooling...
 

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Good lookin KW! Doesn't look like much will have to be done. Maybe a few specs? Did they haul logs with it or did it pull other duties?
 

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Trucks: Several of us in here Southeast Alaska have been buying up the 'better' old trucks that have local area history/historic value due to ownership, etc. I have a half dozen trucks here I've picked up, all in useable/running condition and all will be easy restorations. This is the latest and is an ex- Ketchikan Pulp Company Kenworth 'Brute' tractor that I liked and I have been after it for several years. This picture was taken this morning upon her arrival in Juneau, and tonight she is asleep in a warm heated shop. It will be a neat worthwhile restoration and a fun truck to have around.

WAY off topic, but he asked and I love vintage timber trucks!

Rusty Grapple. On Forestry operations here, there is the thread "West Coast camps , barges etc.. After looking at your site, you may want to have a look at that thread. I've posted several pictures there of logging equipment and trucks. Many you may find interesting of my older brother Howie's A-Frame & cold deck operation from 1972. We call that a "Pile & Swing" operation. I had to just take pictures of them on my wall they are framed pictures that can't come apart.

I like the old steam pot on your home page. I still know where there is a couple of them. One sitting right on the beach in Mereworth Sound here on our coast. Also an old steam train engine. On the top end of Vancouver Island here, (west coast side) is a little village called Coal Harbour where I lived in 1970. There used to be a coal mine there and the coal was delivered to the ship loading by train. While hunting one day way back then, I was fighting my way thru' some real high salal brush and ran right into this old engine left out in the middle of nowhere.
 

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The sky hook I mentioned across the Squamish River, I haven't found any pictures of "yet". However I did remember the name of the loggers in Squamish. Drenka Brothers and found some history on line. For those of you who may not have seen these there are great youtube videos. If you jsut google Squamish Valley Logging Lore you get to see steam donkey logging in action and steam train hauling logs away. Cat & arch logging, and every manner to today. on the side bar there are sevral other good logging videos as well.
 

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Big Son of a Berger...

I sure been looking at and drooling over the BIG Berger and D7 carriage of Ernie Nielsen's. Thank you again Mr. Grapple for posting pictures. I believe the sheaves on the carriage are very close to 5' in diameter. If you compare the height of the D7 hardnose to the sheaves...it's very close. I don't know the exact measurement of a D7 hardnose, but it's right up there. I believe we can see the dropline coming off the winch, up over a sheave maybe 2' in diameter and down & out the middle of the bottom of the carriage. It looks as though reverse on the winch is used as the inhaul for the dropline. Forward being the outhaul. Man, with a 7/8 or 1 inch dropline you could really pack the wood. The winch looks like a Hyster. I can't tell about the engine. The rectangular box on top of the winch looks about the size of a talkie tooter setup. Man would I liked to have seen this one in operation.......or even worked on it. I'll bet it about worked a crew to death!!

I'm guessing this was mid to late 70's...so Mr. Nielsen couldn't get anyone to build what he needed so he built it himself. She looks real stout.

A question about the tracks that the Big Berger is mounted on. They look a little extra long, longer than standard. Maybe D9? Maybe added onto?

Boy sure would like to take a trip to Forks to look this baby over.......guess I'd need some extra tasty dog biscuits...JTL says that Ernie's dog is BIG, and looks extra mean....
 

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From what I remember Denny saying that day we were having beverages, that it was all Talkie Tooter controlled. He said he thinks he still has the wiring schematic somewhere.

I also heard a story from another guy that worked in the rigging for Ernie back in the 70's. They had an old school bus they used for a crew bus/lunch room/rigging shack. Ernie came in the one morning and said "Listen up! You guys smoke that weed at night and do that speed in the morning!" Then got off the bus and went to work.
 

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Any chance you have info on the C23 and the M3 Berger's, currently in the process of putting together a summary spec sheet for all NZ yarding machines currently operating in NZ; hp, tower etc. Finding information on some of the equipment is hard to come by.
 

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Mike Walch of Ranier Rigging owns this setup along with around 70 other yarders, many are just as impressive as this. He owns the 'Ranier Skyline Excavator' rigs worldwide for dreging, etc and does very well with all things yarder. He actually bought the last Berger built- a 1989 M2A, self-propelled, brand new out of the Oregon logging show and has never even put line on the drums. Just for a collector I guess, lol.

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What kind of crawler tractor chassis is this? It looks like something from the M48 Tank family.
 

Redwood Climber

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Guy line Question on Berger Yarders.

On the Berger SP 23.........self propelled I'm guessing and the C 23.....Crawler....again I'm guessing. I see the C 23 has single part guy lines and the SP 23 has the beloved two part pain in the neck block purchase guy lines. The only Berger I have ever worked around was a truck mounted drum set we used for pulling trees, so my knowledge of Berger yarders is quite limited. I'm guessing again that these two Hoists are nearly identical. The difference in the carriers and the guy line setup is obvious. So was it the early model tower had the two part and the later towers were single part?
Thank you Mr. RAD for posting the pictures of the two Berger 23 yarders.
 
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On the Berger SP 23.........self propelled I'm guessing and the C 23.....Crawler....again I'm guessing. I see the C 23 has single part guy lines and the SP 23 has the beloved two part pain in the neck block purchase guy lines. The only Berger I have ever worked around was a truck mounted drum set we used for pulling trees, so my knowledge of Berger yarders is quite limited. I'm guessing again that these two Hoists are nearly identical. The difference in the carriers and the guy line setup is obvious. So was it the early model tower had the two part and the later towers were single part?
Thank you Mr. RAD for posting the pictures of the two Berger 23 yarders.

Both those machines are of the same vintage! However the C23 tower has been modified by Brightwater NZ it originally came out with a non telescopic 80ft tower! They may have also changed the guy set up!
 
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