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Question on paint, and painting, my 14C.....

JDDozerman

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Could anyone tell me what color, and color code, the paint is for my Fiat Allis 14C??? I'm going to try and get her painted in the next month, or two, but I can't find this information anywhere. Also, I have painted a lot of car's, and trucks, but this will be my first attempt at painting this type, and size, of equipment, so any "tips", or info, as to how to "prep" it, how to get the primer and paint into all the "nooks and cranny's", etc., would be GREATLY appreciated!!! I will pressure wash her REAL good first, de-greasing as well, from there, is there any areas I should sand out, or bead/media blast??? I would like to use either some kind of "Rustoleum" paint, or something more durable, scratch and rust resistant, than what I usually use on standard vehicles, due to the nature of what these machines go through, so does anyone have any tips on primers, how many primer coat's, paint coat's, clear coat's, primer and paint types, and/or brands, that seem to work best??? I'm not afraid to admit when I don't know how to do something, and I always try to do things right, proper, and do them in a way that they last as long as possible, so since this is my first attempt, at painting this type of equipment, I figure it's best to get the info from all you Pro's! Thanks in advance for your time, consideration, and assistance!!!

Best regards to all,
JD Dozerman
 

dirthog

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I wouldn't worry about paint codes we have never had any and besides that older machine i believe Fiat-Allis does not supply paint any more also the last time I tried to order a decal set they were discontintued also. Just head to NAPA, True Value or something like that and have them match it. It is nothing more than enamel clear coat that is up to you if you want to spend the extra money. Thats all we have done at our dealership for years mainly because the New Holland/ Fiat-Allis paint was pricey even at our dealer cost.
 

wosama931b

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Hello JDDozerman, I been painting my old cat, with cat paint, i worked on one area at at with sanding/ painting, that was after 3-4 powerwashings.
What you could do is, get a gallon or two of the cat paint and add a little color to it, red, and mix it up to get red paint. The cat paint is good stuff, have fun, sam.
 

390eric

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Well Ill give you my tips after doing a d8r last year. It was cleaned degreased all that stuff. I used to work in a body shop, and it was high end restoration work, so I am highly anal on what I turn out, so might be too extreme for you. Also my boss is the same, likes his equipment ot look great. I sanded every where I was going to spray. I did it with 80,150 and the highly visible areas like hood and cab upto 320 grit. If you don't sand, first time you pressure wash it after you paint it, some will start to peel, then more and more, and all your time and money will be for nothing. For paint, we have a 55 gallon drum of cat, cause most of out cat stuff has been painted. I would talk to your local autobody and industrial finish supplier. I was surprised by how much they deal with equipment colors, they will be able to recommend what type of paint to use. I did 2 coats of a good sealer primer and 3 coats of paint. Even had the sealer primer color tinted to be just an off color of cat yellow. That way when it starts to get scratches they are some what hidden, the color covers quicker too. The nooks are hard just gotta blow the paint in there. keep track of areas that might get hit 2 or 3 times in one coat. You will run it if you actually lay the paint down, its hard not too as many times as some stuff gets painted trying to get the nooks. Dont worry about base clear for a dozer waste of money. Just get a good single stage urathane or something similiar. good luck
 

Tennmogger

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Great info! You guys make me want to go paint something else. I've just completed a couple of military equipment paint jobs this past summer. I cannot imagine sanding all the little nooks and crannies, and I didn't, and may have flaking trouble because of it. Has anyone tried the high pressure washer sanders? Adding a little grit to the power washer seems like a great way to get the hard-to-reach spots.

Bob

JD-650G and three Unimog 406 'tractors'.
 

JDDozerman

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Thanks everyone, for the great info, as I mentioned, I have painted many a car and truck, however, I have never attempted something of this size, nor with the number of little "nooks and crannies", that this has!!!:jawdrop I too am very "anal" about precision, neatness, quality, etc., so I know I'm in a "pickle", because I usually painted vehicles from the frame up, and I can't do that here, so I'm going to have to "bite the bullet", and just tell myself that "good enough" is going to have to do! One thing I DON'T want to do is waste time, money, and labor, doing a job that won't last though, so I figured I would check in with the "pro's" to see how you all do it, and see if I can't pick up some helpful tips, and expertise! I know I will be doing a little "shooting from the hip", but again, I don't even want to attempt it if it's not going to be worth it, or last, in the end! Thanks again for "chiming in" with your knowledge, I really appreciate it!!!

Cheers,
JD Dozerman
 

390eric

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Dozerman man thats the attitude to have, I have learned that "good enough" is something to strive for when painting equipment. It will never be perfect, but it is a dozer, that gets used and sometimes abused. Sand 90% of it and you be happy with it. Its a tool that is how I have to look at it when I paint equipment. Last year when I did our d8 at the same time was finishing up a beautiful 41 ford coupe that is black at home in my garage for a friend. Its really hard to go back and forth between the two. But I feel both came out looking excellent, need to get an account to post some pics of it.

And I know a lot of people will just pressure wash and paint it will not last as i stated above, so do spend the time to scuff it up even with just a scotch-brite pad it will help it stick in the hard to get places

My recommendation is to prime in paint in one day so the primer doesnt need sanded in between coats. So just do enough in one day that you can do in one day. I always break stuff down into micro goals out of one project. Seems like you are getting down faster if u have multiple little goals vs. one big goal.
 

JDDozerman

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Thank you very kindly 390eric, I really appreciate your input, and it's exactly what I was looking for! I'm a "perfectionist" at heart, but as I've gotten older, and HOPEFULLY wiser, I have come to the conclusion that sometimes you just have to say "good enough", and be satisfied with it. I want to do a good job, but I also cannot take the time to tear it all apart, so I will take the pieces off, that I can easily do, and just try to get the paint in, and around, as much of everything as I can, and I will take your advice and scuff as much as possible too, as I do know that painting a smooth surface is just asking for it to peel off in short order! I was just hoping to get some "tips", like what you mentioned, from all of you who have already done this task. Thanks again, to all of you, and I will try to post some pics when I can, right now I'm hoping to get started on it in the next month.

Cheers,
JD Dozerman
 
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