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Fire Suppression - Boomer's , Heli's , Tanker's , Trucks, ect

245dlc

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Nah just wondering how effective it would be for pump and roll or to use a handline fighting grass fires and small bush fires. We carry a big CET pump in the back of the pumper that has two 2 1/2" discharges that we can fill tankers with this is what it looks like:
http://www.fire-pump.com/pfp-20hpHND-2D.html Our neighbouring Fire Department has one to and in the pictures I posted above you'll see a dugout where we had it set up and wow did that thing fill up the tanker in a hurry with one hose. But I think it'll be a struggle to convince the Chief to install it in the tanker even with a quick connect setup. So that's why I ask how well a 3" pump can push water through a 1 1/2" line. If I had my way I'd put a remote control monitor on the front bumper if not a full deck gun on top of the tank and big pump like this: http://www.fire-pump.com/pfp-26hp-DSL-MR.html
 

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That diesel pump would be the ticket! I am betting that there are some 3" pumps that would do fine if the friction loss wasn't too much on an 1 3/4" line. There are so many kinds of little pumps surely they make one that would fit the bill. Tenders are great for working on brush piles and deep seated fires. I like your idea, would it be easier to plumb from the cet pump and put a small hose tray in?
 

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That's what I'm wondering a small hose tray or even a booster hose reel made for 1 1/2" hose would be good and I'm not sure about plumbing from the CET pump that we have I believe it's a 4" suction fitting on it and the tanker itself has a 4" Storz connection for filling from hydrants (if the town would ever install any) so maybe a gated why off of that fitting and a flexible connection to the pump with a Storz on it for easy disconnecting? That way the tanker can still utilize it's regular 4" fitting for filling or connecting to a pumper etc.
 

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Philippine Mars US Navy Museum restoration before she got some blue paint.
[video=youtube;w3ICQg1CwqU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ICQg1CwqU[/video]
 

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HDX; Re post #91 - thanks for sharing information. Here is an old HDX from 1959 - several pics has been posted of her before. She is still going strong:) These pics were shot in summer 2005 when she was running for WFP in Campbell River. Close up pics shows how tank has been tightend with chains..
 

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dsmitht343

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I think your idea would work well. Plus I wouldn't require more costly plumbing to be done on the tank itself.
 

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Here a few pics shot in 2005 when they were doing some maintenance at Sproat Lake
 

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At last I found the pictures of the Coleman truck and the Donald Duck IHC maintanence truck..
 

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What were these trucks used for? And the 4 door 4x4, was it custom made? AWESOME!!
STEVEGODSEYJR; I think they use her as a steer tow truck for the waterbombers on the ramp. I think it is an old US Air Force truck. When I spotted her way back in 2005 I knew right away it was a Coleman truck so I must have seen pictures of her somewhere but sadly I can't remember where. Maybe someone can ad some information.. Coleman trucks were made in Colorado.
 

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Pics of KW 848 or 849 preload firetruck.
 

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Closeup pics of another KW preload firetruck, WFP Holberg Div.
 

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Hayesno1 That Coleman truck was/is the prototype for Coleman Trucks Friend of mine from Brighton Colorado is very close with the guy who built them and when he went over it about 15 years ago he tracked her and the builder told him that it was the first. He is in the process of writing a book about them. His name is Donald Chew He showed me the manuscript for another book he was writing about Snow Crawlers and other Artic transport vehicles and devices that were used in the north and south poles as well as Alaska that have now been lost to history. This guy is a walking encyclopedia about these unique vehicles. He is also very bigtime into the American Truck Historical Society.
 

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Thanks for information HDX. As I have been a member of ATHS for many years I guess I must have seen picture of the Coleman truck in Wheels of Time. Looking forward to get that book. Bu the way I just saw there is a book about trucking in BC - 100th aniversary. I better order that. Here a few pica of a KW W900 IPL fire truck unit #F-102.
 

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Those books were about 50.00 when they came out before christmas and we dropped by Costco and there they were for 29.00
 

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I just payed $35 for it from Amazon.ca with shipping, not bad considering we don't have a Costco here
 

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Pacific P510S or P512S fire truck
 

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Here 2 Kenworth fire trucks in summer time and maybe act as sander trucks in the winter. I am not sure if they welded the water tank to the top of the sander box. One of the trucks might be a RB Hayes - look at bumper etc.
 

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Hayesno1 Good pics as usual Yes the first KW has an HD HAYES front bumper The slip in water tanks were made by SMITH same company that made the sand box's. They were just a drop in tank--You lifted the screen off with a machine and set it off to the side then dropped in the water tank .They had a taper to match the box and some were just a tank that followed the contours of the sandbox All depended on what you ordered. The screens were for loading the sand. When we would use them in the winter we would get sand /gravel etc almost anything that would cover the ice or packed snow on the roads from anywhere . Back then it was very common to just grab it where we could Out of an old pit or a bank or even in creekbeds that had dried up due to the river being diverted, The loader would just keep piling it on and whatever ran off the screens was too big to go through the two hoppers. Anything that would sift through the screens would come out the hoppers with no problem. This was a simple way to get total use out of a Fire Tanker rather that having it used only in fire season. Smith was a VERY GOOD SYSTEM. Some had the truck exhaust running through the box(double wall'd) the trucks above have this option(note the two square outlets at the rear top of box) and this would keep the box warm and stop the sand from freezing inside the box. Some of the early ones we got (1970-1971) we used 100 lb propane tanks mounted on bracket's with flame thrower heads on them to keep the box's warm. These things work outstanding with the right driver on the truck. You could adjust the spinner speeds and the hopper gates (doors) to regulate the amount of sand you wanted coming out as well as the spread pattern you wanted. If for instance you were sanding the mainline -you had truck road speed as well as wider roads so you would open everything up more to give a wider spread pattern than than if you were doing spurs or branch lines. We could always tell where the sandtruck driver missed a shift because there was a little telltale pile of sand where there shouldnt be LOL We all did it Thanks for posting these pics Sure does bring back a lot of memories!!!!!
 
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