Duke, your machine didnt come with any plumbing to the front loader bucket? If you crawl under your machine you will see a bank of valve bodies for the front loader. You might have the third valve body there just not plumbed up , that you can use for the plow angle motion. I dont know if FFC makes a 9 footer for the 580. I also have a 10' FFC on our Case skidsteer. They are light and have taken plenty of abuse from us for years. Good luck , doug
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Snowplow for Case backhoe?
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itsgottobegreen
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No thanks. Its a stick. If it was auto I would be all over it. Been there and done that with plowing with a stick. If I where doing roads it would be ok. But not parking lots. All the ex PENNDOT trucks that plow for use are autos.
Not to be a ****. But you don't have a clue in what I want to do with it. Oshgosh are good for plowing snow in any application. Thats what they are designed to do excusively. I don't need it for anything else. I didn't say I wanted to make it a dump truck. About 75% of oshgoshs have V box spreader on them or a whole lot of concrete on the back. If i ended up with a 4800, yea then I would used it as a dump truck. I want an oshgosh for when the big one hits and you got 36" of snow on the ground. There isn't a singe pickup truck in the world that could break lots with 36" on the ground. But a oshgosh with a V and dual wings will. Heck even a Straight blade and a single wing will walk right threw. Thats when you make a killing because your the only guy in town who can move it. Having an old oshgosh or even a walters snow fighter is the cheapest insurance plan you can have when your in the snow business.
The problem with keeping an oshkosh around "for when the big one hits" is that the big one only hits about once every 15-20 years where you (and I) live.
All the other times when you have no snow you'll be paying to register & insure a truck that won't get used and there's nothing worse on equipment than having it sit for long periods. That's why a year round piece of equipment is better, and it'll make you more money. Even the transfer case seals will dry out after sitting for just a few months. Then you go to start using the truck real hard in a blizzard and oil starts blowing out of the transfer case. Then you have a big impressive 4x4 that can't even get out of your driveway. They have a football field size turning radius, too...not so great in a parking lot with light poles & curbing.
We had a horrible blizzard in '97 and got 34" of snow. Back then, one of my bigger trucks was a IH-1700 4x4 dump with a heavyweight 11' plow and a Torwel V-box spreader. It was no more useful than my Ford 555 4x4 backhoe for clearing snow in the corporate center parking lots.
Since you don't have any experience driving a big 4x4 w/plow in super heavy show & ice, I can tell you'll be disappointed in your investment of an Osh Kosh 4x4 because they're useless for anything other than a once-in-20-year blizzard. Those trucks are made for where it snows hundreds of inches per year (Syracuse, Buffalo, airports, county roads, etc.)-THAT's where they can actually make you money. I'm just trying to save you some money speaking from the experience of clearing 10 acres of corporate center snow removal at a time, but do whatever you want. Even on big back country roads all the townships around here & PENNDOT abandoned those types of trucks because they just sit & rust.
We ended up using my backhoe and a medium sized John Deere front end loader to get everything open at the entrances. Then use the trucks to clean off the rest and haul out loads of snow when it gets piled too high.
When the "big one" hits, almost all retail, banking & corporate closes while the snow gets removed, it ain't like you're plowing the CIA's parking lot anyway. I'm probably older & more experienced than you and I'm just trying to give you some advice & save you some money. I've seen what works and what doesn't 100's of times.
All the other times when you have no snow you'll be paying to register & insure a truck that won't get used and there's nothing worse on equipment than having it sit for long periods. That's why a year round piece of equipment is better, and it'll make you more money. Even the transfer case seals will dry out after sitting for just a few months. Then you go to start using the truck real hard in a blizzard and oil starts blowing out of the transfer case. Then you have a big impressive 4x4 that can't even get out of your driveway. They have a football field size turning radius, too...not so great in a parking lot with light poles & curbing.
We had a horrible blizzard in '97 and got 34" of snow. Back then, one of my bigger trucks was a IH-1700 4x4 dump with a heavyweight 11' plow and a Torwel V-box spreader. It was no more useful than my Ford 555 4x4 backhoe for clearing snow in the corporate center parking lots.
Since you don't have any experience driving a big 4x4 w/plow in super heavy show & ice, I can tell you'll be disappointed in your investment of an Osh Kosh 4x4 because they're useless for anything other than a once-in-20-year blizzard. Those trucks are made for where it snows hundreds of inches per year (Syracuse, Buffalo, airports, county roads, etc.)-THAT's where they can actually make you money. I'm just trying to save you some money speaking from the experience of clearing 10 acres of corporate center snow removal at a time, but do whatever you want. Even on big back country roads all the townships around here & PENNDOT abandoned those types of trucks because they just sit & rust.
We ended up using my backhoe and a medium sized John Deere front end loader to get everything open at the entrances. Then use the trucks to clean off the rest and haul out loads of snow when it gets piled too high.
When the "big one" hits, almost all retail, banking & corporate closes while the snow gets removed, it ain't like you're plowing the CIA's parking lot anyway. I'm probably older & more experienced than you and I'm just trying to give you some advice & save you some money. I've seen what works and what doesn't 100's of times.
murray83
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I have to agree why spend money on a machine you only hope to use in a season where you could buy a used backhoe for the same price and use it year round? That doesn't make any sence business wise.
Anyway back to the thread a 10 - 12' blade would be great on that machine we had a 12 footer on our 416 for doing lots around town and did wonders around tight spots and back dragging most guys "claim" can only be done with skid steers.Since your doing country driveways one swipe up turn around and switch angle and drive down would be just as good as an V plow on the market since most guys who own one in truth don't really need it.
Anyway back to the thread a 10 - 12' blade would be great on that machine we had a 12 footer on our 416 for doing lots around town and did wonders around tight spots and back dragging most guys "claim" can only be done with skid steers.Since your doing country driveways one swipe up turn around and switch angle and drive down would be just as good as an V plow on the market since most guys who own one in truth don't really need it.
Not trying to be a wise guy, but it's gonna be a lot. I'm not actively selling it, but if someone wants to buy it for the right price, I'd probably sell it.:beatsme
Most guys who only have experience with pickups or little F-350 dumps, etc. just have no idea of the cost of a 4x4 dumptruck that'll do what this truck can do. So when I tell them what I would want for it, they get all offended and act like I'm crazy.
Try to look at it this way. If you built my truck new and put a 12' dump on it, it would cost ~$110,000. I know, I priced one from 3 local IH dealers.
This truck ain't no Rube Goldberg.
That's what I think, too. You leave a truck like my 4800 sit for 4-6 months and you're looking for problems. Leave it set for 1 year and it'l be all screwed-up. Moisture in the fuel, leaking gaskets, dead batteries, rust underneath, etc. I assume the guy who wants an Osh Kosh for when "the big one hits", must know these trucks cost a small fortune to own/operate, but they cost more if they just sit b/c they lose money and they self destruct.
Anyways, yeah, I like the idea of a 10' power angle plow. Especially since I have the FFC Q/A on the front end. Might be nice to click on the plow, clear the driveways, then click on the bucket & do some stacking & dumping.
Must be awesome with a 12' power angle, that thing would be a lot clearing machine!
Thanks for all who helped! :drinkup It gives me another option! :drinkup
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The 416 was an IT model so we had the 12 footer and a snow bucket add those 2 combined in commercial situations with Q/A and it was the best all around machine I could use.
The Osh Kosh most likely would be the same pushing power as a 950/966 size loader I'd assume and since so many guys already have those size machines laying around in snow country pricing out a large truck like that would be tough since that truck would be used for snow only and justifying the cost of buying and operating the truck would be hard as any pit operator would have his loader bought and paid for by summer work so profit means nothing in winter and if they are anything like guys around here its to just keep their guys busy.
Forks,10 foot blade and bucket all Q/A sounds like a sweet machine to me.
The Osh Kosh most likely would be the same pushing power as a 950/966 size loader I'd assume and since so many guys already have those size machines laying around in snow country pricing out a large truck like that would be tough since that truck would be used for snow only and justifying the cost of buying and operating the truck would be hard as any pit operator would have his loader bought and paid for by summer work so profit means nothing in winter and if they are anything like guys around here its to just keep their guys busy.
Forks,10 foot blade and bucket all Q/A sounds like a sweet machine to me.
coopers
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Duke,
I can't remember, was your QC hydraulic or manual?
Blake
WA
I can't remember, was your QC hydraulic or manual?
Blake
WA
itsgottobegreen
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There is a guy who has a 1985ish Oshgosh with a 12' two way that lives about 10 miles south of me. Its his insurance policy. The blizzard of 03, he payed for the truck in that storm (made like $30k with it in a couple of days). Both working for private and then the state. He needed a tax write off and a new play too. You can't write off a corvette, but not everyone has an oshgosh. Its basically what I want to do to. Yea he hasn't used it since 05 for our little 24" storm. But its sitting, waitting for when mother nature is back and pissed off.
I grew up in boston and chicago, I plowed in the blizzard of 1996. I got to ride in an oshgosh plow truck during that storm also. I know what they can do. I am not planning on clearing a lot curb to curb. Just to break it open. Cleaning up is the job for the loaders. Its not like its going out on everystorm. Unless one of the other single axels go down.
OH wow 10 acres. Somebody call out the troops, Lets see Mall of columbia 48 acres, Gateway shopping center 35 acres, fredrick scott key mall 51 acres. SAlopez and I plow those lots with plenty of protechs snow pusher, loaders, backhoes, farm tractors, skids, single axels and pickups. So I really have a justifable excuss for needing a big 4x4 insurance policy. We also are thinking about getting a few hiflow blowers with truck chutes for the bobcats.
Umm we are not allowed to let the mall of columbia close for any reason no matter how bad its snowing. Its in our contract. Each parking space is worth about $1000 an hour to them during the christmas shopping season.
It was just a guess. Judging by the small size equipment you have and the age I assumed you were, I figured you were doing driveways. Didn't know you were a mall & corp center snow removal company like me.
The 10 acre lot I spoke of was just one of 40 different commercial customers.
Anyway, good luck with your oshgosh (or Oshkosh that's what we call them).
I was just trying to help you, but I see you've got it all figured out.
ointhead
Thanks for all those who helped! The "oshgosh" sidetrack to the thread was entertaining, too!
The 10 acre lot I spoke of was just one of 40 different commercial customers.
Anyway, good luck with your oshgosh (or Oshkosh that's what we call them).
I was just trying to help you, but I see you've got it all figured out.
ointheadThanks for all those who helped! The "oshgosh" sidetrack to the thread was entertaining, too!
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nedly05
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Amen Bro:thumbsup
nedly05
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Now that's what I'm talking about! :drinkup
I wonder if when you have a 11-12' plow on there it puts a lot of bending stress on the loader arms?
digger242j
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Not to stir the pot...well, maybe just a little. :stirthepot
If they've got it figured out what each space is worth per hour, why haven't they figured out that if it gets that bad, people aren't going to be able to get to the mall?
itsgottobegreen said:
If they've got it figured out what each space is worth per hour, why haven't they figured out that if it gets that bad, people aren't going to be able to get to the mall?
Probably no more than the 7' dirt bucket digging into a bank. If you hit something real hard the plow will trip itself or collapse the ram. I have never noticed any dangerous pressure on the loader arms. doug
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mflah87
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Not to stir the pot...well, maybe just a little. :stirthepot
If they've got it figured out what each space is worth per hour, why haven't they figured out that if it gets that bad, people aren't going to be able to get to the mall?
The mall I service for snow is the same way. They only give up a few spots for me to park equipment in and the rest of the snow gets hauled away. I have a 3 inch minimum and they want it plowed if we get a dusting, not sanded. I get a check from them every two weeks never had a complaint on a bill or on the service.