Liebherr vs Volvo Wheel Loaders...

Seamac, run Volvo L90D and Komatsu 320-5 on waste hire jobs both good . Would not be buying a new shovel for this application I would instead do a rebuild on one of the mention units, all this teir 4/5 stuff on machines is driving me mad at moment, but if the machine is constantly working in a shed thats when the tier4/5 benefits come in, no smoke, .Have you considered a electric unit ?.

Seamac, what I meant for the electric opition is could you use a material handler instead of the shovel, if so you have opitions

KWD,

You're following my original intent to get into recycling which didn't quite work out as planned. For the moment it's all under ground utility work and they don't make extension cords for said application.

KWD said:

Seamac, what I meant for the electric opition is could you use a material handler instead of the shovel, if so you have opitions

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Seamac well if you do get in to recycling have a look at the Solmec 50ZE full electric no cable needed '''>!!!

In that size get a Case,they run SCR (def fluid), and will do the same after 2014.
We run Volvo 180 E. 220 F and a 220 G. the E and F are fine, but the G is not, it needs to regen atleast once a day, and the elektronik levers is very hard to make work evenly

This is Blaine, from Product Sales Support at Volvo Construction Equipment.

I just wanted to say: we have had some problems with the fuel pump in the past, primarily on the larger (L150 size and up) machines, but those have been solved. In the L60G through L120G products we use a DOC system in conjunction with the DPF which is very similar to what other manufacturers are using.

Also, the solution that Volvo went with for the larger machines (DPF unit only) is truly the best solution out there for the engine sizes in these machines. The system doesn't have to depend on a DOC to raise the temperature to accomplish the filtering of the soot, rather the burner insures that the correct temperature in the DPF filter is maintained. This requires no downtime for the machine compared to some other manufacturer solutions where the DOC is used and has apparently caused problems in the larger engine sizes.

Hi Blaine, welcome to HEF,

Let me be the first to say we're glad to have you aboard, we need more Manufacturers Reps as Members so they can get realtime, honest and experienced feedback about equipment; legacy, current and future. I know of no better way than word-of-mouth and here at HEF you'll find a grand collection of knowlege and experience not to be found elsewhere.

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This is Blaine, from Product Sales Support at Volvo Construction Equipment.

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SeaMac said:

From what I understand come 2014 when final Tier IV is mandated all machines are supposed to have DPF and SCR with DEF. That of course is my understanding. As far as Case is concerned, I wouldn't own one and they are extremely unpopular in this area. Seems the only contractors that own/operate them generally go out of business rather quickly, I'm not superstitiuos by any means but that would appear a bad omen wouldn't you think?

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They should all have SCR but wont all need EGR or a DPF.


The off road tractor manufacturers are all meeting Tier IV Final with SCR only except for John Deere, they will have SCR, EGR and DPF. Massey Furgeson will have a DOC on their tractors though, I Know Fendt will not. Not sure if CNH will have one or not. Unknown what CAT will be doing but it sounds like they are open to SCR as well. Mercedes is already SCR as well.

In the construction world I would expect the same. It makes absolutely no sense not to use the system unless it is extremely inconvenient for someone to have to deal with DEF. Even then, theres a way for everything to work and the added costs of dealing with the fluid outweigh the savings in Oil changes, engine wear, breakdowns, and fuel useage.

durallymax,

Interesting, I just finished doing a week long demo evaluation of a Volvo L110G Interim Tier 4 for my employer. The Volvo Rep, informed me that it is indeed a DPF system and the SCR needing DEF won't become available until mandated in 2014.

I can state with absolute certainty that a Volvo L110G is "one hell of a machine". I conducted an extremely thorough field test and evaluation and the 110 aced every task I threw at it with flying colors.

My apologies in resurrecting an old thread, but I'm curious to know what you eventually settled on? And how things are progressing?

soooo what was the outcome ????????????