thanks dave it is confusing for me i wondered how it all came from the e and n land grant to dunsmiurs and then to the varios companies ,,, lyles company is island pacific logging ..... i worked at a lot of mills hauling sawdust etc and one was smith cedar in victoria , hershel smith owned it and sooke forest products and a few more , i think he also owned pacific logging as i saw photos in his office , he was a neat old guy and stopped to chat with a young deadbeat like myself at the time .lol take care and keep posting please !! brings back lots of good memories .....