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Hydraulic powered air conditioning

Dmconstruct

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Hey guys I'm running an older grove. 1997 55tonner. Powered by cummins. She's equipped with a hunter heater. The heat is powered by the hydraulics but I want to know if this crane does in fact have air conditioning. The dash says AC. The mechanic told me that if it says AC in the dash chances are the crane Is equipped with it. The cranes rpm lowers when I turn on the heat but nothing happens when I switch to AC. I'm not familiar with these types of systems so I really don't know where to start. I know there is no condenser or lines coming from the engine concerning anything with air conditioning. What should I be looking for to positively identify AC in this crane? I would most appreciate any input. It's starting to get really hot in this cab with no shade in sight.

Thanks in advance
 

crane operator

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Hey dm, I'm assuming this is a RT, but the truck cranes use similar systems.

The hunter heaters are a little box, self contained, under the seat. They are propane, and have the bottle (like for a grill) mounted behind the cab, and there will be a exhaust pipe out the bottom of the cab. There is either a toggle switch on the box, or on the dash, for ignite and then run. If you have a "hunter" its not A/C. If its a hydraulic heater with A/C, or just A/C, they have a big box outside the cab with a hydraulic motor in it that drives a compressor with belts. It will also have a external condenser (looks like a radiator) with lines that come from the hydraulicly driven compressor. Don't confuse the A/C with a oil cooler, which some of the Groves also have upstairs. Some of the Grove's use hot engine water for the heat in the upper, you can tell if its that because you will have lines from your radiator and engine carrying hot water up through the swivel and then to the upper. I've run some that use the hot water for heat and then also have a A/C system upstairs. Take some pictures of what you have in the cab, and what there is for boxes on each side of the upper, behind the cabs and we can probably identify what it's got.

Bad news, if it does have A/C, but its not working, it can be $ to fix, especially if it hasn't worked in a while. It may just be low on freon, then the low pressure switch is making it not work, then $15.00 at napa and you will be chillin. If its big $, the boss may tell you to just open the windows. Or the mechanic may be too busy fixing non working equipment to mess with your A/C (he doesn't have A/C why should you?).

I'm not really a big fan of the hydraulic drive A/C systems, they really heat the hyd oil, and rob power from a function when running. They are real bad about heating the oil, if your running a lot of cycle work, with all of the boom out. You end up with very little oil in the tank, and if your hyd. cooler is hydraulic drive too, you just can't get ahead of the heat. In 100deg. + weather with the A/C cranked on a 70 ton I used to run, you needed to pull the boom back in after about three or four hours of work, to bring some cool oil back to the system. So if it's really hot, and you do get to running the A/C, watch the hydraulic temps, because you can really cook a system.

There are also some aftermarket A/C systems that are direct drive hydraulic compressors, but then you wouldn't have switch on the dash.

Hope this helps a little, post some pics and maybe I can help a little more.
 

Dmconstruct

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Thanks for your detailed reply. Yes I'm running An RT 855. No hunter heat, it's hydraulic. I took a look behind the cab and found mounting angle iron with nothing mounted to it. I took a look at another sister RT and found that they have removed the motor, condenser And tubing and patched the hole behind the cab that the lines ran through.
 

dws123

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There are a lot of cars that use hydraulic air conditioning but hydraulic systems are the best for manufacturing these air conditioning.The quality of the products are very good and hydraulic air conditioners make better cooling than any other AC.
 

dws123

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Hydraulic air conditioners can bear more load and can perform better than the normal systems so it is one of the reason for implementing Hydraulic air conditioners. Also quality of Hydraulic air conditioners are more better than other type of air conditioners.
 
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