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Ripper
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jca57jd - I have modified a box blade with rippers installed pointing backwards and run my skid steer backwards to perform the ripping. the box blade has a quick attach plate mounted on the back of it with re-enforcement\stiffening to prevent it from collapsing under heavy load. It works very well and is easy to swap out like all of the other attachments on a ss or ctl. Just a thought for you, atleast until someone designs a rear ripper.
On a site note - to use the box blade, I run it forwards on my skid steer. Works OK, but wish I had but in some trip springs (like a snow plow). Maybe on the second revision
On a site note - to use the box blade, I run it forwards on my skid steer. Works OK, but wish I had but in some trip springs (like a snow plow). Maybe on the second revision
ermineerwhatbuc
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Bobcat had a rear ripper for there 963's Awhile back, Probably a fellar could convert it to fit as most bobcats are setup for rear stabilizers, and could use the same holes plus hydraulics.:beatsme
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There is a reason why there aren't many rippers available for CTL's or skids for that matter. I had friend (passed away) that had a 943 with the rear rippers. He bought the machine new with them already on it. Due to the size of the machine at the time (1980's) there weren't that many of them available to choose from hence the rippers on his machine since that was the only one available in the area.
Anyway he never used them. The rippers wouldn't do anything more than a bucket with teeth would do so the rippers on his machine ended up being extra counter weight. It was slower to use the rippers for the same task a good tooth bucket could do in a fraction of the time. These machines lack the weight and traction to rip anything like rock, plus you would destroy tires or in the case of a CTL very expensive rubber tracks. A good tooth bucket will be just as effective as a rear ripper without the added expense.
Anyway he never used them. The rippers wouldn't do anything more than a bucket with teeth would do so the rippers on his machine ended up being extra counter weight.
It was slower to use the rippers for the same task a good tooth bucket could do in a fraction of the time. These machines lack the weight and traction to rip anything like rock, plus you would destroy tires or in the case of a CTL very expensive rubber tracks. A good tooth bucket will be just as effective as a rear ripper without the added expense.
ermineerwhatbuc
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yes a 943 sorrry bout that, right brand though. I would think with a full bucket upfront a 10,000 lb machine would break up hard pack soils:beatsme. maybe with a track under carriage? anyone got a 943 with rippers and a t320?
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Ermineerwhatbuc you were correct, Bobcat made a 963 as well as a 943,953 and a 975 I think. One of our members Dwan Hall has one of these beasts up in Alaska.
IMO they are useless as well on a "real" track loader as well. I don't have one on my 953C but a friend of mine bought an old used 953B with the rippers on it. It makes a nice additional bumper and he is thinking of mounting a trailer hitch on it to move stuff around the yard but his bucket with teeth is still faster than what the ripper can do.
The smallest sized machine I would want rippers on would be a D6N/R class size dozer and not for ripping rock but breaking up hard pan and shale. I have seen rippers on as small as a D3G and I am sure they have a place somewhere but the little tractor is not capable of ripping much more than it's blade will cut.
For rippers to be effective on a machine you need weight, horsepower and traction.
IMO they are useless as well on a "real" track loader as well. I don't have one on my 953C but a friend of mine bought an old used 953B with the rippers on it. It makes a nice additional bumper and he is thinking of mounting a trailer hitch on it to move stuff around the yard but his bucket with teeth is still faster than what the ripper can do.
The smallest sized machine I would want rippers on would be a D6N/R class size dozer and not for ripping rock but breaking up hard pan and shale. I have seen rippers on as small as a D3G and I am sure they have a place somewhere but the little tractor is not capable of ripping much more than it's blade will cut.
For rippers to be effective on a machine you need weight, horsepower and traction.
245dlc
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Yeah I've run a 953B with a three shank ripper and they're useless. The only I found it useful for was unloading over the beaver tails on the lowbed with the ripper shanks pointing up. Other than that the best piece of equipment to have a ripper on is backhoe, or much better an excavator especially if your working in hard frost like what we get here in Canada.
ermineerwhatbuc
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I always thought if I found a reasonably cheap set, I'd get them and attatch 3pt hitch knuckles on it and could use 3pt attachments the way they were designed. any thing pto powered could be ran with a hydraulic motor from the front aux lines.
nzpatch
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not sure what others do with there gear but rippers on smaller gear works just as good as on big gear from my point of veiw,you don't rip rock for scrapers with a d3g but you can get a blade full eazy if you have them in hard going. its all in perspective to the work the size machine does and is.
TriHonu
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If you don't require a rear mounted ripper, there are a few options.
Bobcat was offering 3 different scarifiers. Their Front Scarifier is a stand alone attachment.
Their Scarifier is like a Tilt-Tatch that mounts between the quicktach and a bucket or attachment. The teeth rip in reverse and rotate up when going forward.
The third was a Rear Scarifier but the brochure states it was only for the 963. If you don't need the auxiliary hydraulics, it appears simple enough to make one and attach it to the aux.
Wisconsin Metal Fab makes the Power Bucket. This bucket has built in hydraulic scarifier.
I have not used any of the above. I did take a close look at the Power Bucket. You lose a little capacity in the bucket due to the pan shape to allow space for the scarifier. It looked like a well built unit.
I have a Landplane with a hydraulic scarifier. It works well in the silt/clay mix around here.
Bobcat was offering 3 different scarifiers. Their Front Scarifier is a stand alone attachment.
Their Scarifier is like a Tilt-Tatch that mounts between the quicktach and a bucket or attachment. The teeth rip in reverse and rotate up when going forward.
The third was a Rear Scarifier but the brochure states it was only for the 963. If you don't need the auxiliary hydraulics, it appears simple enough to make one and attach it to the aux.
Wisconsin Metal Fab makes the Power Bucket. This bucket has built in hydraulic scarifier.
I have not used any of the above. I did take a close look at the Power Bucket. You lose a little capacity in the bucket due to the pan shape to allow space for the scarifier. It looked like a well built unit.
I have a Landplane with a hydraulic scarifier. It works well in the silt/clay mix around here.
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Hey guys my email was not notifying me of all of your responses. Sorry. Thank you all for your replies. I own a bobcat t190 and would love to have a rear hydraulic ripper. It would be very nice on jobs around here. To the responses about it not being abile to rip anything; I would be using this just as i use rippers on my tractors boxblade. It realy would make digging go alot faster. Hear is a link to a sweet one I found on youtube for a takeuchi. YouTube - Takeuchi TL230 Hydraulic Rippers Do yall think that bobcat would still be able to get ahold of one of those for the 963 still? What would I need to do about aux hydraulics since I only have a 4 in 1 bucket? Thanks
Bluestone1
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The great thing about skid steers these days is the quick tach so why have a contraption tied on to the back of your skid steer that would affect working in tight places, loading, unloading, accessing engine for maintenance, extra hydraulics, etc, when you can just quick tach onto a set of rippers. I do agree, rippers are great for skid steers...especially track machines...but to me just get the non-hydraulic bobcat ripper (under $1000 I think) make a bracket to hold it on the side of your trailer and quick tach to it when you need it. No getting out of the cab, you can see it waaayy better, no hydraulics, just simple when you need it.
Hendrik
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Yeah well sometimes even a big machine struggles http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ou5r-kUtUo
Scrub Puller
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Yair...its not the machine Hendrik...its the operator.
Do tell, who makes it? where did you get it? and how much did it cost?
I agree 100%, a dozer of any size is more versatile and productive with a ripper, unless it is going to spend its whole life in sand or soft conditions.
The rippers are made in Australia ( where I am ) .
I think it cost close on $10k for them set up on the machine with all hydraulics and diverter valves working .
Do they work well .... YES .... My main business is building house pads , I have now cut down my work time by approx 30-40% per job .
The machine pulls them along well and I use them even on the smaller pads due to not putting so much stress on the front bucket area .
Cheers
I think it cost close on $10k for them set up on the machine with all hydraulics and diverter valves working .
Do they work well .... YES .... My main business is building house pads , I have now cut down my work time by approx 30-40% per job .
The machine pulls them along well and I use them even on the smaller pads due to not putting so much stress on the front bucket area .
Cheers
Scrub Puller
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Yair . . . For bulk earthmoving such as building ponds and levees (and yes you can do that sort of work with even the smallest 'dozer, it is just a matter of scale) a ripper is essential.
The only exeptions may be loamy top soil, sand or some of the sticky adhesive clays that one poster described as "tiger ****" that is to say the ripper just drags through it without realy doing any shattering.
Just because you can cut it with the blade doesn't mean to say you should, almost any dirt will push cheaper when it's ripped . . . the art of being a good 'dozer hand is to know when it's ripped enough, generally speaking if you can sink the blade in to the depth of the rip and get half loaded in about half a tractor length the material is ready for pushing.
I have had many hot shots who reckon they are playing hell by getting "a good boil going" over a thirty meter cut and reckoned it didn't need ripping and I even managed to make a few into reasonable operators. The fact remains that very few blokes can work a 'dozer to its full potential on bulk earthworks.
Cheers.
The only exeptions may be loamy top soil, sand or some of the sticky adhesive clays that one poster described as "tiger ****" that is to say the ripper just drags through it without realy doing any shattering.
Just because you can cut it with the blade doesn't mean to say you should, almost any dirt will push cheaper when it's ripped . . . the art of being a good 'dozer hand is to know when it's ripped enough, generally speaking if you can sink the blade in to the depth of the rip and get half loaded in about half a tractor length the material is ready for pushing.
I have had many hot shots who reckon they are playing hell by getting "a good boil going" over a thirty meter cut and reckoned it didn't need ripping and I even managed to make a few into reasonable operators. The fact remains that very few blokes can work a 'dozer to its full potential on bulk earthworks.
Cheers.