Smallest push cat?

D6 Merv · Jun 18, 2011

Hi Showpony, Ive done it in the same situation as RDG, pushing 101 Wabcos and a Michigan elevator scraper with my D4E. Only reason I was pushing was because of the greasy pug clay and the lack of traction with rubber tyres.
On another occasion had to use my old gear drive D4D to push a Terex TS8 to help get that last 1/3 of a load into its bowl; again in greasy clay; it could self load for 2/3 load but needed a shove for a full load. Was slow but if its all thats on the job u use what you got.
terex TS8 was built in scotland for the pommy army, so u won,t see them in the USA. 8yd struck 11 heaped, twin 100hp Bedford diesels. Concept was good, but design less so.
Merv

Buckethead · Jun 19, 2011

Jim Irwin said:
I got told as a youngster, to never push load an elevating scraper.

The draft arms and neck were never designed for it.

Anyone else heard the same?

I was told it's not good for the elevator, never heard anything about the draft frame or gooseneck.

RDG · Jun 19, 2011

I will say one thing the IH E 211/ 412s had a very strong elevator both in the design and power compared to the 613, they even had hydraulic chain adjusters and sealed for life idlers on the chain which was way ahead of what the 613 had at the time. We used to push ours a lot and had very little trouble considering some of the conditions we worked in, put teeth on the cutting edge when the ground got hard but they could usually self load then as the ground was dry, slippery conditions was the main reason to push them the ground being wet, as D6 Merv said you make do with what U have on site.

Aussie Leroy · Jun 26, 2011

Yesterday i was pushin TS24 Mk 5 all day with my D6N

Gord229 · Jul 4, 2011

Had my Wabco 229F push loaded by Cat D5 some years back. No problem getting a full load

vapor300 · Jul 4, 2011

We push load elevators alot if the cut is to short or they cant get traction, it works really well in sand.

Steve K · Jul 4, 2011

D-5H with narrow tracks pushing 627E's. Not all day, just when they needed a bit of help.

Last year for a different company I was pushing 627's with an old 1982 16G. Big ol push block on front just for it! Worked better than I expected.

Steve

JDOFMEMI · Jul 4, 2011

Re: pushing with the 16G
It has 275 HP and weighs #54,000 it is comparable with a D-7 dozer. No reason to think it wouldn't do a fair job pushing 627's. It is hard on drive chains and axles though. Pushing loads the tires, giving more traction. Blading unloads the tires, reducing traction. I know of several broken axles and worn chains from pushing 631's with one.

mekon · Aug 7, 2011

Smallest pusher?Back in the early 80s we used to use a Wabco 101f to assist in finish grading around homes.More than once I had pushed the 101f with a John Deere 301-A tractor with a Bradco 6 way blade mounted on front and a landscape rake on the rear.

It actually helped the Wabco but it wasnt the bestest pusher.

Dirt Slinger · Aug 18, 2011

We push our 627's with a D6R it works but would love to have an 8, of course in big straight cuts we just hook the pans together nothing better

vapor300 · Aug 19, 2011

??? You should be able to load a pair of 27's in the length of the scraper push pullin (Unless its rocky soil)

Dirt Slinger · Aug 19, 2011

we only use the 6 in tight situations where you don't have room to hook up

Peter Kennedy · Oct 7, 2011

I did push a 613B with a D6D one time through very sticky clay. The dozer just pushing enough to stop wheelspin on the scraper and all worked well

1970Cat16 · Jan 25, 2012

crayton said:
As a young lad my dad had an HD 5 AC farm cat with a dozer. The county was building a new road through our place and was using a D 8 and cable scraper. I came up behind the outfit unbeknown to the operator and gave him a push. Don't think he even knew I was back there. When he got loaded I sliped into 5th gear and rattled up alongside him so he stopped, looked down at me, spit on the track and hollered over to me. "Why don't you park that thing alongside this one tonight and let er suck awhile."

OMG!!!!! Your dads remembering shook cobwebs from me, reminds me of the good ol days when big d9 and d8s ruled the land clearing world!!!lol

buckfever · Jan 26, 2012

crayton said:
As a young lad my dad had an HD 5 AC farm cat with a dozer. The county was building a new road through our place and was using a D 8 and cable scraper. I came up behind the outfit unbeknown to the operator and gave him a push. Don't think he even knew I was back there. When he got loaded I sliped into 5th gear and rattled up alongside him so he stopped, looked down at me, spit on the track and hollered over to me. "Why don't you park that thing alongside this one tonight and let er suck awhile."

:lmao:lmao I got to find a reason to use that tomarrow.

Peter Kennedy · Feb 7, 2012

smallest pushcats

In the past I have pushed a 613 elevator sraper with a D6 just giving the scraper enough weight to prevent excessive wheelspin whilst trying to load heavy black wet soil. After about a foot or more of wet soil was gone it was back to normal again with no damage done.
Pete

Digger321b · Apr 22, 2012

I push load a 627G most days with a D6R II. you manly just push tyne rear down so the back tires can work a lot better. We can get some get loads and its not hard

Digger321b · Apr 22, 2012

Very true, only do it if it gets stuck and it can't be cutting

Digger321b · Apr 22, 2012

Dirt Slinger said:
We push our 627's with a D6R it works but would love to have an 8, of course in big straight cuts we just hook the pans together nothing better

i know what you mean buddy.

Dozerboy · Apr 22, 2012

Used a med sized Cat Telehandler once to push a dog of a 623 around. Mostly when the greenhorn got it stuck, but to load some too. It had a bucket on and it didn't take the abuse it to well.

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