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Any tips for someone new to the paving business?

TERM101

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Im not sure where in NC you are or if the business you plan on buying is in NC. Whereabout are we talkins about? Maybe I can give you some insight into the local economy. As far as the paving economy around my area residential isnt doing that bad. Alot of my work this year has been residential whereas normally residential is usually only about 25% of my work. If your around the RTP area and the numbers are right I would say go for it. Just MAKE SURE you know what you are doing. You can lose your a** in a quick minute in this business. I would suggest that you buy the company on the condition that the owner sticks around for a bit and kinda shows you the "ropes" if he is able. I wouldnt buy the business assuming that you will get the work from his repeat customers as there is NO guarantee what so ever that they will deal with you. Plan on acquiring only what he has and starting from scratch. This will probably better prepare you for what you may jump into.
 

The Tackman

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Georgia USA
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Paving Foreman in Atlanta
I'm sorry you are in NC and not NY I must have read your location wrong. At least you will not have to deal with the Right to Work stuff.
 

The Tackman

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I should have said that at least you won't have to deal with paying prevailing wage for the driveways given to you by the big company
 

drpepper124

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MI
Ive been doing a lot of trenching work, and Im thinking about moving into the residential/commercial paving/excavation business. What I know about asphalt is only what Ive done with paving my trenches in streets. I dont have any experience with pavers, doing driveways etc. It seems pretty easy but Im sure theres plenty to learn....Ive been looking around at pavers, is it possible to get a decent paver for around 10,000? And really what pieces of equipment do you need to get started? I figured a roller, skid steer and the spreader. I have a 6 wheel 33,000lb dumptruck and a utility truck with electricity and an under deck air compressor for jack hammers.


As some have stated, asphalt prices fluctuate drastically based upon current oil prices. Depending on your source of AC / HMA, prices may or may not be within what is possible for you / your company to perform. During hard economic times, even large paving operations that rely upon state and municipal funds will look for commercial work to keep crews busy, possibly driving out smaller operations based solely upon a cheaper source of HMA (company HMA plants).

Given your experience in patching road work, you may or may not have the background necessary to comply with DOT standards in larger operations. As for residential work, I agree with previous posts in that work won, may not translate to work paid.

Having worked for one of the largest asphalt suppliers / constructors in the area, the odds seem against any truly profitable gain in today's market.

That being said, I honestly believe that anyone with the passion, skills, and ambition to enter a "new market" has the opportunity to do so.

Some companies in these parts have specialized in performing the "smaller end" of the work for major projects. This may be as simple as sweeping or mini-milling around structures. Many large paving operations do not bother to deal with seemingly "small jobs", but smaller companies can satisfy larger companies with specialized work that turns specialized skills into cold hard cash, as well as long lasting relationships that will yield work for years to come.

If I have miss-read or miss-judged your operation, I sincerely apologize. Feel free to criticize or contact me for any additonal information I may be able to provide.

Thank you for reading and I appreciate your time.
 

dscont

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mo
Been in the paving buisness since 1982 . No way i would start out now. Also remember a paving company is only worth what its assets are. Do not buy any blue sky. Just my 2 cents worth.
 

BLconst

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So Cal
Amen to all the above. Problem with good roller man and good raker, is they get paid well an you have to keep them busy. I had whole paving operation and the good employees are hard to find and keep. Like you I started doing patching and trenches and grew. I have gone back to doing patches and trenches because the big boys don't want to do them and the gypsies cant work with utilities an property managers, as the gypsies require cash upfront. I still do large paving jobs, and actually make more money on them by subbing out. Big paving companies need to keep the big machines and crew busy, and you can capitalize on that. Most will rent you a machine and crew, you buy the asphalt and pay them quick.
 

PatrickL

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Duluth
Hey, I was thinking about starting this kind of business and I am wondering how much budget should I start with? I am sure I would have to take a loan of some sort. I was thinking of buying some equipment, rollers, pavers ect. This people have some asphalt pavers for sale - used of course and even now I see that I will need to have "a little" bigger budget.
And how is this business today? Worth entering?
 
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andoman

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Dec 23, 2009
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midwest
LOL, Well you could buy my trade in, it's mixed in there with the other listings. Be prepared to spend some serious cash if you want to jump into the business.
 

Joe4569

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Ohio
Realizing this thread is old, I'll put my 2 cents in anyways (and maybe looking for a little advice as well). My family owns and operates a 2nd generation small paving firm and do about 15,000-20,000 tons a year. This ranges from residential to medium-sized commercial work. Since the recession hit in 2008-09, business has been slow and sometimes it was hard to keep a crew busy. This year, things have picked up quite a bit and from what my old man tells me, they have more work then they know what to do with.

However, from what I can tell you, and what others have mentioned here, the asphalt business is a tough one. Asphalt work requires skill, knowledge, people, and a lot of equipment in order to keep things rolling. Many factors can make or break a job in a heart beat (material cost, weather, equipment breakdowns, etc). And did I mention finding good help? After working there for 10+ years, I witnessed first hand the qualms we had with employees. There's also a host of other things to consider as well, but I'll spare you the details. Despite that, we do quality work, have a good reputation, and have built loyal relationships with local businesses and municipalities over the 60+ years in business. We've also been able to ride the hard times by diversifying in seal coating and excavation work.

My story is that I went to college and graduated in 2010 with a degree in mechanical engineering. Went to work for corporate America and can't say I've been very satisfied. What a transition it was to go from running a 12 ton old-time Galion roller in 100 degree heat for 12 hours a day to sitting a cubical pushing buttons on a computer. Where did I go wrong? :(

I suppose I chose this route because my dad didn't want me to go through the headaches that him or his dad had to endure. Also, the volatile economy in recent years has influenced me to find a career with a little more stability. Things are "ok" now, but what will things be like in the next yea or two? These are huge things to consider before undertaking such an operation.

Despite these challenges, I'm thinking about trading my desk job and getting back into the family business. Most people would say I'm crazy, sometimes stupid, but nothing compares to the satisfaction obtained while working in construction. With the old man reaching retirement age (although he will never truly retire), I feel like it's now or never. You could say I've reached a fork in the road- work for "the man" for the next 40 years OR make my own way while carrying on a legacy. Putting all emotion aside, for someone who's no stranger to asphalt, is it a good idea to take over an asphalt business in this day and age? Things have changed quite dramatically from the time when my dad or his dad took over/started this business. Competition is stiff, prices are erratic, good help is harder and harder to find, and the economy can't go for more than 5 years without a crash. I know what my old man's answer is, but I wanted to get a third perspective.

Sorry I didn't mean to hijack this thread, but any advice from those of you who've also been in the business would be appreciated (this would also be good advice for op and others).
 

CM1995

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Welcome to the Forums Joe, glad to have you here!:drinkup

Your question is a tough one that many folks go through in there life. I can't give you advice one way or the other not knowing your personal situation. However there is an old saying that rings true - "If you love what you do, you never have to go to work.";)

Construction gets in your blood and is hard to stay away from. It has to be a passion to put up with all the BS and struggles that go along with it. Some say we are crazy for being in this business and I would answer them "Yeah we are....":D
 
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