motrack
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What was the brand name of these ME built machines? What are the machine model numbers? This post just sounds like a lot of BS to me.
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Warning to those looking to purchase foreign made equipment off the assembly line
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Greg
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If you disassemble the machines and sort them you will realize more in scrap value. Sort the cast iron from the heavy steel, if there is any, sheet metal separate, copper separate, aluminum separate and so it goes. Keep all of the nonmetallics out of it also.
I was thinking the same thing. I have never heard of any equipment being manufactured in Saudi Arabia, that is not say that it isn't! But their are a lot of inconsistencies in this thread.
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Never thought of that.... Will do... but how do we determine what's steel and what's iron?
And regarding the other guys, Terms of Service ban bashing any one specific brand of equipment. It's why I haven't posted the specific brands.
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A Bit Ting Tong
2 weeks ago I had to travel from the U.K. to Hong Kong to do a job, when in Hong Kong I bought some Wood Screws and a Saw plus a few bags of cable ties (Zip Ties), I cut up 3 small bits of their Hong Kong crappy ply sheet, and the saw was blunt, I then tried to screw in the wood screws only to find the heads fell off the screws, I wish I had bought nails??, then I came to use the zip ties, the large ones just seemed to snap off or fall to short pieces, they were to brittle, the thin ties were like elastic bands as you pulled on them they stretched like cling film, my thoughts on China is everything has a crappyness to it, the food was crap the Hotel was Crap (paper thin walls) I would be not keen to buy sweet #/# from ting tong.
going back out in a few weeks sadly tctractors
2 weeks ago I had to travel from the U.K. to Hong Kong to do a job, when in Hong Kong I bought some Wood Screws and a Saw plus a few bags of cable ties (Zip Ties), I cut up 3 small bits of their Hong Kong crappy ply sheet, and the saw was blunt, I then tried to screw in the wood screws only to find the heads fell off the screws, I wish I had bought nails??, then I came to use the zip ties, the large ones just seemed to snap off or fall to short pieces, they were to brittle, the thin ties were like elastic bands as you pulled on them they stretched like cling film, my thoughts on China is everything has a crappyness to it, the food was crap the Hotel was Crap (paper thin walls) I would be not keen to buy sweet #/# from ting tong.
going back out in a few weeks sadly tctractors
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What scares me half to death is the fact that these poor ****s have to do their jobs with that crap. We can avoid it if we want to spend a little more. They likely can't. And they take that junk, build factories and lines with it. Then build the stuff we buy over here. Its no wonder the stuff we get is total crap.
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MR. Mechanic. That is simple. If it is a casting it is more than likely iron. Engine block, head, those kinds of things. If it is plate, has been welded together to make a complete piece, or in this case super glued, sheet metal etc. It is steel. If you want to go all the way you disassemble the engine and remove the pistons which are aluminum. Crankshaft should be forged steel, but could be cast from ductile iron.
motrack
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I dont recall anything in the forum rules against discussion of a machines pros or cons or the mention of brand names. Its done here on a daily basis, otherwise why have a forum about heavy equipment?
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koldsteele
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Spark Plugs ?? I knew it Briggs&Stratton have took over the world in heavy equipment power ....
SHHHHHHHHHH! That was supposed to be kept secret until ConExpo.
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Greg, thank you for the info. None of us knew that LOL
Motrack, read the Terms of Service. This entire thread, isn't asking for pros and cons, it's flat out attacking/degrading the manufacturer of the machines. (Geographically, not specifically, to make it specific, would be to give the brands, which would violate ToS of this site)
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Good things the stuff we get in the US isn't as bad as that....
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I believe you could post anything that can be substantiated by facts. You have some photos or perhaps some corroborating witness statements and I don't believe anyone will complain. Most would praise you for informing all to the hazards.
I work in the State of Washington and get around it about as much as anyone. So far I haven't seen any machines made in Egypt, Pakistan or anywhere else in that part of the world make to this state.
If they are as bad as you state they would never pass the EPA regulations for the engine emissions and I am absolutely certain they would not get through the ports in Washington state without the proper certifications and paper work.
A brand name and a photo would bolster your claims.
I work in the State of Washington and get around it about as much as anyone. So far I haven't seen any machines made in Egypt, Pakistan or anywhere else in that part of the world make to this state.
If they are as bad as you state they would never pass the EPA regulations for the engine emissions and I am absolutely certain they would not get through the ports in Washington state without the proper certifications and paper work.
A brand name and a photo would bolster your claims.
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Brand for Saudi Arabian Excavators were ITMCo
Brand for the three dozers were Millat
Bosses ordered them online, had them shipped to America, they past port inspection, had them loaded on trucks, and then we tried using them, creating this mess.
Photos will be no good anymore. After taking advice on here, we've broken them down into pieces.
They passed inspection. On the outside they looked fine, until you started taking it open and started looking in-depth into them.
And then starting to look for things that shouldn't be there.
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Forgot to mention, specific Models,
Millat C139J-Medium Lift Bulldozer (that was the title, looked pretty sharp, until we realized under the hood it was literally a pile of crap)
The Excavators, were ITMCo Ajiha-ba Rondon . Don't know WTH it means, but that was the model of Excavators we got. which turned out to be pieces of garbage as well.
Millat C139J-Medium Lift Bulldozer (that was the title, looked pretty sharp, until we realized under the hood it was literally a pile of crap)
The Excavators, were ITMCo Ajiha-ba Rondon . Don't know WTH it means, but that was the model of Excavators we got. which turned out to be pieces of garbage as well.
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Well Mr. Mechanic I seem to recall you asking the question a few posts ago. As a professional "wrench turner" I certainly would expect you to know the difference. However I have seen other mechanics that have some really really strange ideas what certain things are made from and what you can and can't do with those materials.
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To clarify:
Given that Mr Mechanic says he was working with the contractor who experienced these problems, I don't see any problems with naming names here. After all, isn't that what happens every time somebody asks advice for a specific problem on a specific model of machine?
The intent of the rule is to discourage unsubstantiated allegations based simply on brand preference. If you've seen the problems with your own eyes, it's to everyone's benefit to share that information here. That's why we exist...
On edit: And everyone gets to judge for himself whether the testimony presented is credible.
Given that Mr Mechanic says he was working with the contractor who experienced these problems, I don't see any problems with naming names here. After all, isn't that what happens every time somebody asks advice for a specific problem on a specific model of machine?
The intent of the rule is to discourage unsubstantiated allegations based simply on brand preference. If you've seen the problems with your own eyes, it's to everyone's benefit to share that information here. That's why we exist...
On edit: And everyone gets to judge for himself whether the testimony presented is credible.
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motrack
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After some searching on the internet I found both companys. Millat is a Pakistan company building tractors under license from Massey Fergson and ITMCo is a company in Iran building tractors under license from Massey Fergson.
Here is a link to ITMCo construction equipment showing the product line http://www.itimco.ir/Default.aspx
After a quick look at their machine specs I see they use Yanmar, Perkins and Cat engines along with Danfoss hyds. I dont see them being too funky of a machine.
Here is a link to ITMCo construction equipment showing the product line http://www.itimco.ir/Default.aspx
After a quick look at their machine specs I see they use Yanmar, Perkins and Cat engines along with Danfoss hyds. I dont see them being too funky of a machine.
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2stickbill
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I didn't see any Dozers are Excavators on their website.Like you say just tractors.Only one I seen for Construction was the Marooka and I have used them.Good machines too.
Greg
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Does not do any good for Massey Fergeson to have a licensee turning out junk. Part of every license agreement I have ever seen is that licensee is required to build the machine to the specification and quality of the OEM granting the license. There are a few allowances for the use of locally obtained parts to be slightly different from that of the OEM as well as metric vs. US standards but not a whole lot more. When the licensee starts doing what is aledged to going on here it is grounds for termination of the license. Unfortunally now the horse is out of the barn and it is to late to slam the door. Sooner or later every licensee an OEM takes on becomes the competition.
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