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Warning to those looking to purchase foreign made equipment off the assembly line

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MrMechanic

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1. If it's not made is Far East Asia, or Europe. Don't buy it.

2. Just because that bulldozer costs $5,000 to have it imported. Doesn't mean the country of origin has any standards at all on manufacturing equipment. Tolerances between machines/parts can be so different machine to machine, that once it breaks down, you have no way to repair it. Because even the replacement parts will not be within the right tolerances. And no two machines, even of the exact brand/model will have parts that are interchangable...

If it's not manufactured in Far East Asia, or Europe. Strongly recommend not buying that equipment to be imported...
 

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What do you mean by Far East Asia? Japan, South Korea Taiwain? China falls in the geographical area too. I have ranted on here for quite some time that there are problems with the things that come from there.
 

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Far East Asia, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan...what is not made there nowdays?
 

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Far East Asia, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan...what is not made there nowdays?
Winston cigarettes and Makers Mark bourbon lol ...Oh almost forgot Ruger guns ..
 
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Had to laugh. I bought a brand new Ruger SR40 at the gun show in Phoenix yesterday. Great pistol in .40 S&W. Opened the case, and there it was, made in Prescott, Arizona. Then I saw the
padlock -- made in China.
 

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Had to laugh. I bought a brand new Ruger SR40 at the gun show in Phoenix yesterday. Great pistol in .40 S&W. Opened the case, and there it was, made in Prescott, Arizona. Then I saw the
padlock -- made in China.
That was part of Obamas stimulous package ..
 

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Anything NOT produced in Far East Asia or Europe, or the US/North America, should be avoided at all costs...

Contractor I was doing work with, bought three dozers and had them imported from Pakistan. All three broke down in the first three hours. What was even worse, no two parts were interchangable. Instead of disecting the three dozers to make at least ONE work. the things down to even the Washers, and even the spark plugs weren't interchangable. They were all sized differently, even though we had the exact same machines.

Could we just exchange a link of track from one dozer to the other? Being they are exactly the same machine? Nope... Bolts on one track who too larger compared to the other track.

Could we just change the hydraulic pump between the two dozers? Nope.... Tubes for one were so randomly sized, and the bolts to put it into place, were too small.

The other contractor, who bought two semi-medium sized Excavators, and were imported from Saudi Arabia, you think they'd be better quality? Nope...

They broke down after a half-hour. Both of them did. One had Hydraulic tubes that ruptured out of nowhere, and the alternator blew out 5 mins afterwards, and the other's boom broke (snapped) where it connects to the bucket.

Could we change the Alternator and hose lines with the other? Nope... Each one had a different sized alternator. Not only that, they were both wired differently. Same brand, same models, same years of production...

Do not ever import equipment from a foreign country if it's in the Middle East.... Ever...

$30,000 worth of machinery (because they were bought/imported from the ME) totally garbage.

We got spare parts today, the spare parts don't even fit.... For the hose to the hydralics on the broken one, was 3 9/16 of an inch thick. The Hydraulic pump to it, will not fit any hose larger, or smaller than that. Go 3 1/2'' tubes, the pump with blast them apart. Didn't matter how much ducttape and metal pipe connectors we used. To order a custom tube 3 9/16'' in the lengths we need them for the boom/bucket... Would cost $600. Per tube because even John Deere doesn't have a mold to manufacture the tubes on the spot.

Even worse, the tube assemblies between the two vehicles, they put the tubes to what goes to what into different plug ins in both of them.

Regarding the Excavators especially, we found the bucket connection point snapped, because they configured it only to have ONE spot for a bolt that wasn't even half as thick as it needed to be, and they welded it in.

This is all brand new equipment off the assembly. It's like they assembled the equipment from a junkyard...

Even looking at the electrical wiring of one, and they changed where the wires are housed, the colors of the wires (like in one dozer they are all black wires. All of them. some even spread throughout the dozer at different lengths, even thickness very)

I would give brands, but per TOS of this site, it's against the rules to "bash" a brand. (but nothing about bashing the geographic region they are produced)

THus far, anything Middle Eastern produced Heavy Equipment wise, avoid like the plague.
 

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OH and to add INSULT TO INJURY!

Not only are the hydraulics and electrical all screwed up. But also, THE FRAMES ARE DIFFERENT!!!

We thought earlier today we could just strip 'em down, and modify the pieces to fit as one solid machine... Nope... No can do...

The frames to the Dozers alone, guess what? They are connected/welded together from different points. screwed/bolted at different points. ALSO. We found out parts of the Engine that should be bolted together, aren't bolted, but instead, they are SUPER GLUED together. Where bolt hole should be, there is super glue.

We thought we could just take out the engine, buy a cummins or a CAT engine or something and put it in... NOPE. Went over specs, we have to totally modify the engine housing. To "take up space", they welded in pieces of metal with no function at all in totally random locations for what it seems, just for the sake of taking up empty space. If a hydraulic tube was too long, instead of shortening the tube, they made metal "hangers" inside the compartments to keep them in place. Some parts welded, some parts superglued, some parts bolted.

The gears for the tracks, we noticed as we were looking at the entire track assembly, the little wheels, were all different sizes. between 1/2 and inch to a full inch difference in size when they should have been the same.

The Operators seat in just ONE dozer, was SUPER GLUED to the metal bar that stuck up. the dozer was bolted, and the other one beside that, the seat was half super glued, and half welded into place.

Niether engine in either of the three dozers are the same construction either... They are as piece meal as the rest of the machines...

We literally bought $30,000 worth of scrap metal and copper wire....

DO NOT EVER purchase a Middle Eastern Constructed piece of machinery.
 

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This is good to know, because I hadn't heard of gasoline powered dozers made in Pakistan. It's absolutely amazing that they had different size sparkplugs.
 
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This is good to know, because I hadn't heard of gasoline powered dozers made in Pakistan. It's absolutely amazing that they had different size sparkplugs.

Yeah... The Industrial Revolution has arrived in Pakistan... If only they had an agency that focused on uniformity in their manufacturing industry....

Seriously, you could go to a junk yard, grab random pieces of metal etc. and I can almost garuntee you'd be able to manufacture a better quality in machines.
 

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This is good to know, because I hadn't heard of gasoline powered dozers made in Pakistan. It's absolutely amazing that they had different size sparkplugs.

They use clean burning Natural Gas to make the EPA happy.The different size spark plugs are for the different size cylinders.:lmao
 

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Wow, sucks that someone got stuck with a lot of scrap iron. I suppose if they were from a US junk yard they'd at least be some solid parts.
 

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Sounds like a lot of russian influence there too. Not exactly known for quality, design or engineering there either.

With the amout of BTU's in natural gas vs. Diesel fuel I can imagine the amount of power they must have and I am sure that you need to hook a tank truck behind them to keep them running any length of time.
 

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wow!
i have jerry rigged a bunch of stuff, but i never thought of super-gluing my spark plugs back into my cummins diesel:)
 

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This is becoming my favorite thread

Oh, I do it all the time Q.;)

on the plus side, 3 dozers and 2 hoes for $30,000; you should be able to scrap them and get your money back.:rolleyes:
 

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Oh, I do it all the time Q.;)

on the plus side, 3 dozers and 2 hoes for $30,000; you should be able to scrap them and get your money back.:rolleyes:

Contractor in charge crunched numbers, (we aren't working the project for a while due to lack of equipment) and called around.

To scrap the three dozers and excavators, even with the copper wires that are in ungodly lengths.......

Just to put it simply, we are going to be lucky to salvage $22K between all of the equipment.

And BTW, even Russian Engineered Machines run forever. AK-47 for instance. As well as the T-54 Battle Tank is still in use by Army's across the world with minimal breakdowns.

Pakistan replica's of the AK however, are proned to jamming. A little tid bit of their industrial complex the boss wishes he had known earlier...

And for Saudi Arabia, for being hte most "modernized" of the ME countries... when they make Excavators with the same craftsmanship we found in Pakistan manufactured equipment... Yeah......

Anything ME I'd strongly recommend avoiding like the plague. We would've been better off buying Chinese equipment instead.
 

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Contractor in charge crunched numbers, (we aren't working the project for a while due to lack of equipment) and called around.

To scrap the three dozers and excavators, even with the copper wires that are in ungodly lengths.......

Just to put it simply, we are going to be lucky to salvage $22K between all of the equipment.

And BTW, even Russian Engineered Machines run forever. AK-47 for instance. As well as the T-54 Battle Tank is still in use by Army's across the world with minimal breakdowns.

Pakistan replica's of the AK however, are proned to jamming. A little tid bit of their industrial complex the boss wishes he had known earlier...

And for Saudi Arabia, for being hte most "modernized" of the ME countries... when they make Excavators with the same craftsmanship we found in Pakistan manufactured equipment... Yeah......

Anything ME I'd strongly recommend avoiding like the plague. We would've been better off buying Chinese equipment instead.

You are forgetting.Any thing like the AK47 and the T54 Tank is for the Military.If it fails you die and the one who manufactured it dies.Russia does things different than the USA.We just spem Billions whether it works or not.Russia doesn't.
 
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