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So, who hasn't had to torch off a lug nut?

RobVG

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The thread on the saftey forum about welding wheels is a good one but I'm wondering how so many of us have gotten away with it? I've had to use the flame wrench to cut off a few inner and outer wheel nuts. I suppose we all have- and without removing the tire.

In the demonstration video they use a steel truck wheel and welded near the rim. The modern 24-5 aluminum wheel is about an inch thick and aluminum is a great heat sink and quickly dissipates heat. That and the fact that the nuts are down from the rim might be why some of us who weren't aware of the danger are still around.

Don't get me wrong, I have healthy respect for the warning. We have a steel wheel on our Bomag that's going to need a little welding and for darn sure the tire is coming off. And if I have to cut off any more nuts I'm going to use my free hand to keep an eye on the temp. If I get it too hot, I'll run like hell...:spongebob
 

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The hub piloted lug nuts they have now for the aluminums really give me the willies. I think that if anyone came up with a special tool for busting those things without putting the gas axe on them has an opportunity to put a little gold in their pockets.

The steel Budd wheels with the double nuts usually don't have to have a lot of heat and that has to go a long way to get to the tire. I've had to chance doing several dozen over the last bunch of years and so far have been real lucky.

Don't take any chances if you don't have to.

Good Luck!
 

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"Gas axe" ?! :lmao

I haven't heard that one before.
 

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No doubt that tire vidieo makes one think about the next time ..Whew can't believe some of the things I've done and still here...I was thinking next lug nut i cut I'll use my plasma ...Less heat .
 

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:shfyou guys forgot smoke wrench. Gax Axe is a specific term used for demolition.
 

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Here's one I'd never heard of before but after some research I'm told it would work and the guys done it for years, the person uses a 20lb lp barbaque grill tank to inflate tires when he's away from the shop or along the road, a 20lb cylinder will inflate over a dozen car or pickup tires before going empty, this same guys also uses it to power his 1/2 inch impact wrench to take the lug nuts off and put them back on again along with inflating the tires. He told me too make sure I didn't smoke a cigarette while doing the above tasks and your safe to do it and never add a match to set the bead on tires after you've used lp to try to inflate them either.

A few years ago on one of my lowboys we had a rim explode while we were driving and it blew the tire, rim, and part of the hub completely off the trailer and across the road and about 150 ft sideways into the farm field where we had to go get it back again, the rim had rusted where it attached to the dayton hub and after time it was weakened and blew up and tore it completely off the trailer, if anyone would have been passing us or meeting us they would have been instantly killed, since then I've never welded on or left a rusty rim on any of my trailers or trucks and on dayton wheels we always try to take them off every year or so to try to eliminate the rusted areas on the rims, we also let the air out of the tires before even getting close to them to take them off, its much safer to work on them, I never thought it was possible for a rim to literally explode like that ever and we had just loaded a dozer on it and driven maybe 1/4 mile when it blew up, the force it came off the trailer it actually bent the axle as it went off from the force it had as it lifted the trailer almost two feet off the ground as we drove, all from a rusty rim that was weakened.

A friend of my wifes was unloading a tire and rim assembly out of the back of his pickup and he bouced it on the ground as it dropped out of the pickup bed and as it did so it blew the bead off the tire and tore his leg off and he died from complicaitons of the amputation later at the hospital, any weather checked tires or tires with cracks in them get replaced as well, its not worth it in my book to try and skimp and get by with marginal tires.
 

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Randy, I can agree with most of that post; but, speaking as a man who spent 21 yrs as a Fire Dept. Captain, with hundreds of hours of hazardous material training: The man who uses the LP instead of compressed air is a lucky, stupid sob.
 

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Randy, I can agree with most of that post; but, speaking as a man who spent 21 yrs as a Fire Dept. Captain, with hundreds of hours of hazardous material training: The man who uses the LP instead of compressed air is a lucky, stupid sob.

I really doubt the LPG story. LPG's pressure is based on temperature and would not provide a consistant tire pressure at all. :beatsme
 

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I thought the guy was giving me a line also until I watched him do it, I then asked my lp supplier how or what kind of trick it was that the guy was doing and he explained it to me like this, lp is a gas and also a liquid, it keeps making more gas until the liquid is gone, and if you only had to do about 40-50 lbs of pressure if you hooked the hose up it should eventually build that for pressure and inflate the tire, if its warm out which it was at the time it was demonstrated to me, it was the dead of summer and almost 90 degrees, also if its hot out and you only had a small 1/2 drive impact my supplier told me it was no trick it would work if you had guts enough to attempt it, you wouldn't have a lot of pressure but enough to make it work, I again didn't believe my supplier so I contacted a tank manufacturer and asked them about pressures and temperatures and such and they gave me the same story and when they asked why I wanted to know I told them and after a long pause on the phone they said it was doable and maybe not to attempt it. I've seen the either to seat the bead on tires done many times and I thought that was dangerous enough and have never done that one either, I've never done the lp thing personally but seen it done several times by the same person and know its possible and also the lp supplier and tank manufacturer have told me its possible but I've never been gutsy/dumb enough to try it myself, but it has to be hot out not cold or snowy to make it work, also the larger the tank the quicker it will fill the tire or have reserve air capacity, the person doing it told me that as well. The guy originally had a gas pickup converted to lp with a large tank in the back is where he originally got the idea from is what he told me and that would have been around 80-120 gallon tank and he just tapped into the line before the pressure reducing regulator so he had full tank volume and pressure and said it just wait it out and it would fill the tire nicely. He's always carried lp tanks, the small ones ever since in every vehicle he's ever had and this is what he uses it for, his tires when you take them off always smell of lp gas and how he's never had an exposion I'll never know, I never dreamed it was possible to be done and also it gives a person something to think about before I'd ever weld on any rims, even if they used either to seat the bead, theres still the smell left behind and I'd think twice before ever attempting to add heat to remove any lug nuts on any truck.

I"ve also seen oxygen cylinders used to inflate tires, I worked for a place years back that had a hose hooked to their 02 tank off the regulator and when they had no air compressor available they used the compressed air off of the tank instead, seen that one many times as well, I always stood back and just watched that fiasco take place as well, I was just an employee and didn't say much, seen tires inflated with C02 out of the wire welder tanks and all sorts of weird stuff, I keep that in mind when I buy anything used with rubber tires on it, you never know what its been inflated with to get by, 20 years ago I never would have thought anyone would use anything but compressed air to inflate tires but over the years I"ve been proven wrong.

It was a nice video but I"ve never seen data of how hot the air gets in a tire on a summer day running down the interstate at 70 miles per hour when a tire blows out from the heat or a cap lets loose and blows, I"ve had tires get so hot they literally created melted balls of small rubber inside, the old tube tires were the worst, even had those start on fire before while driving because of being too low of pressure or going flat while driving so I know its gotta be hot to literally start them on fire.
 

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I'm not sure about y'all but any flamable gas needs to be treated that way ..randy 88 that ole boy should go play the lottery cause all it takes is one spark ...
 

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with LPG, it will turn back into liquid if you compress it at certain temps. For example, at 30 degrees F, you can only make LPG presurize to 51psi, anything over that and it just makes liquid in the bottom.

Anyway i get what you are saying and i also agree that anything other than air or nitrogen in a tire is no good.
 

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i have seen guys use freon to fill tires with also useing propane is just plain stupid/dangerous for all around it Just think a leak in the tire and a passing car with a smoker throwing his cigar out the window kaboom that would weed out the stupid ones
 

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That is about the craziest thing I have ever heard of. DUMB, DUMB, DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Carbon Dioxide is non flammable so would not cause problems, just a lot more expensive than compressed air. I have heard of some cars now specifying Nitrogen gas for their tires.
 

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That is about the craziest thing I have ever heard of. DUMB, DUMB, DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Carbon Dioxide is non flammable so would not cause problems, just a lot more expensive than compressed air. I have heard of some cars now specifying Nitrogen gas for their tires.

When i was down south building race cars we used nitrogen to fill the race car tires as well as run the "thunder guns" for pit stop. It was a quite popular thing in the pits.

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