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Truth about safety by Mike Rowe

DirtHauler

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I really like what Mike Rowe had to say about the Safety First idealist in this response to a question on the dirty jobs site.

http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/dirtyjobs/bio/qanda/qanda_02.html

Q:

My husband works on the oil rigs as a well tester and we are now watching you folks do so without any eye protection! Are you crazy?! Drilling a hole with no protective eyewear? Between him, a well tester, and me, a workers' compensation lawyer, we're cringing! Somebody could LOSE AN EYE!


Ha-ha! Seriously, Safety First, fellas! I would expect better from the Discovery Channel!
- suzemommy


A:

I sincerely appreciate your concern for me and agree that stupidity plays an ongoing role in my professional and personal life. But believe me, I have no wish to be injured on the job.

However, it is not the objective of Dirty Jobs to conform to any particular set of safety standards, other than those dictated by the people for whom I happen to be working at the time. I take my cues from them and I assume whatever risk they assume, for the most part. In the end, we hope to capture an honest look at what life is like for the workers in a particular venue. We do not aspire to set an example or be a poster child for OSHA or any particular industry. I realize that may sound controversial but it's the truth and not nearly as inflammatory as what I'm going to say next.



Ready?



Of all the platitudes automatically embraced in the workplace — and there are many — there is none more pervasive, erroneous, overused and dangerous than "Safety First!" in my opinion. I have heard this slogan countless times. I have seen it emblazoned on banners, T-shirts and hats. I have sat through mandatory briefings, slideshows and presentations designed to "protect me from the hazards at hand." And I have listened as safety officers and foremen have run down list after list of OSHA requirements, all apparently construed to remind me that nothing is more important to the employer than my own well-being.

What a load of unmitigated nonsense.



In the 120+ jobs I have seen thus far, I can tell you with certainty, that safety, while always a major consideration, is never the priority.



Never.

Never, ever.
Not even once.



Is it important? Of course. But is it more important than getting the job done? No. Not even close. Making money is more important than safety — always — and it's very dangerous, in my opinion, to ignore that. When we start to believe that someone else is more concerned about our own safety than we are, we become complacent and then we get careless. When a business tells you that they are more concerned with your safety than anything else, beware. They are not being honest. They are hedging their own bets and following the advice of lawyers hired to protect them from lawsuits arising from accidents.



You are correct to suggest that wearing safety glasses would have made the task at hand safer. But why stop there? Wearing a helmet would have made it safer still. And wearing a steel-mesh shark suit would have made it really super-safe. I know that sounds glib and I know that many will wish to scold me for appearing cavalier. But really, I'm not. In a car, I wear a safety belt. On a motorcycle, I wear a helmet. Not because it's the law, but because it seems a reasonable precaution. And ultimately, the only one responsible for my own safety is me. (Besides, if the government were really concerned with my safety above all else, wouldn't they drop the legal speed limit to 30 miles an hour and make cars out of rubber?)



Again, you're right — I probably should have been wearing safety glasses, not because safety is first, but because I like to hedge my bets. We can always be safer. We can always assume less risk. But if safety were really first, I wouldn't travel at all or engage in any activity that required me to assume any risk. And I certainly wouldn't be hosting Dirty Jobs.

Like most sensible concepts, rational safety is all about balance. But the problem with balance is that you can never maintain it without constantly adjusting. Which means, we are always slightly out of balance, one way or the other.



When are we too reckless? When are we overly cautious? Opinions will vary about where safety should rank on society's list of desirable conditions. But one thing seems certain — safety has never been first, at home or at work. And the current effort to make it so is way out of balance.



And that, ironically, is dangerous.

Mike
 

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While I certainly have to respect Mike for speaking so candidly, and I agree with much of what he says, I have to respectfully disagree with his interpretation.

Of all the platitudes automatically embraced in the workplace — and there are many — there is none more pervasive, erroneous, overused and dangerous than "Safety First!" in my opinion. I have heard this slogan countless times. I have seen it emblazoned on banners, T-shirts and hats. I have sat through mandatory briefings, slideshows and presentations designed to "protect me from the hazards at hand." And I have listened as safety officers and foremen have run down list after list of OSHA requirements, all apparently construed to remind me that nothing is more important to the employer than my own well-being.

What a load of unmitigated nonsense.



In the 120+ jobs I have seen thus far, I can tell you with certainty, that safety, while always a major consideration, is never the priority.

I think this is a case where a certain amount of hypocrisy is necessary. (Which in and of itself is hypocritical, because I'm sure most of us would agree that hypocrisy is always bad.)

If any employer were to promote safety in its actual place in the grand scheme of things, it wouldn't be effective.

"Safety third! Behind profits and productivity."

That just doesn't serve to promote the mindset that makes for any degree of safety.

I think it stems form the fact that we're all oriented towards getting results first, and we need to be reminded that there are other things that need to be considered. It's planting the idea that safety is the first priority that leads people to take it seriously enough for it to be third, rather than fifteenth. "Talking the talk" is in fact a precursor to "Walking the walk"....
 

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very good point. Its the illusion of it being first, while knowing that its production that buys the groceries, thus production/profit will be naturally first. They are playin with our heads. I bet none of them will ever admit that.
 

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I tell my guys that their safety is their problem. I do my very very best to promote a safety culture but i cant watch every second of their behavior.

NOTHING matters to me more than them going home on their own two legs at night safe and sound. Having to tell one of their family members that something happened to them is NOTHING I EVER WANT TO DO.

I will jump there asses and really get on them about safety violations and remind them they need to think about their safety before everything else. IF they wont look out for themselves why would anyone else.
 

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I just always figured that if we completed the job on time, made a little money in the process and no one was killed or injured then we are successful as a company.

There is a balance between safety and productivity but that line is hard to find sometimes.

I like Mike and enjoy watching his show.
 

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well, i am legally blind in my left eye.
i take eye safety very seriously.
you are all adults, do what you will.
but, try to learn to run iron with one eye.
 

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I am missing part of a finger........ lost it putting tracks on a dozer. Every job has its hazards and while I try and work safely every job has risks.

The only true way to avoid injury is do nothing.
 

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We have moved on and now were lost....
Safety ..................it is fine if we can afford it........... but if all of us here were honest with ourselves and costed our minor accidents I believe we would have a greater safety culture,it is maintained by the iceberg theory that the cost of an accident is similar to an iceberg with only 10% of the cost apparent. Then there is this theory

Accident pyramid.jpg



http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/codeq/accident/accident.pdf

For my 2cents the person who is most responsible for my safety is me........
 

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I think just about everyone who has been involved in construction knows someone who is missing bits due to accidents.
I personally know a couple of people who have been in very serious industrial accidents, both of which where very avoidable if safety guide lines had been followed and perhaps more safety training issued.
One involved a person stepping off a bulldozer whilst the machine was still pushing, foot slipped and got caught between the track grouser and load bearing beam, result was loss of leg. Guess he never got that packet of smokes out of the ute.
Another one involved a fork lift with forks in the air and junk on the ground, machine tipped over, threw operator from seat and crushed leg under ROPS. Guess he didn't get to knock off early that Saturday.
They managed to save the leg........ just but he may well have been better off if they cut it off.
Now perhaps next time I see them, I'll ask them if safety is more important than productivity?
I think if margins are that tight that safety has to be compromised in order to make the venture profitable, it should probably not be happening at all.
Those miners in Chile where lucky but 100's of miners in China are not.
 

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My question is - "Has Mike Rowe ever had a full-time construction job?" If he hasn't that might explain his view of safety from the "outside".
 

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My question is - "Has Mike Rowe ever had a full-time construction job?" If he hasn't that might explain his view of safety from the "outside".

Well, I do have many years in the industry and I think Mike is pretty much on the money with his assesment. Far too often a safety program is primarily a dog and pony show so somebody can "show" how concerned with safety issues.
 

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This gets my back up,Truth about safety by Mike Rowe..........Horse pukey!

That made for television show he does is there to make money and the outrageous comments he may have made is probably something from the shows writers.Just another effort to drive up ratings

Has anyone tried getting on a construction site lately ?? Hard hat , safety glasses and safety vest at a minimum.

Anyone in todays environment that spouts off like that will need a lawyer sooner or later "Because Mike said safety is BS and thats why I don't wear safety glasses"

Just an observation but the staff of this board is disagreeing with one another???
 
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I kind of have mixed thoughts on this. I have had to do dangerous things at times because they had to be done and there was no other way to do them. I'm quite sure that most of the employers didn't want to have to go through the paperwork involved with the state when an accident happened, but just the same when those instances came up that required something brazen be done they generally said be careful, turned around and walked away.

I have also had to put up with the dumb employees that used safety as a hammer to get back at the employer for some stupid reason. You know the ones I'm talking about. They are the ones who run a cutting torch without eye protection and then file a grievance because the shield on the bench grinder is a quarter inch too small.

My current safety program involves me, myself and I as I don't trust anyone to look out for number one. If I'm not comfortable doing something, I'll generally find another way or walk off the job. If someone next to me is doing something unsafe, I'll gently clue them in on a different way. If they don't want to listen then I fall back on one of my life lessons. You can't help anyone who doesn't want it and you can't fix stupid.
 

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Just an observation but the staff of this board is disagreeing with one another???

Tiny, well yeah, of course we do. We are not an all homogeneous bunch that follows one line. While we are all here to discuss and promote the heavy equipment industry, we still have our personal opinions.:cool2

My current safety program involves me, myself and I as I don't trust anyone to look out for number one. If I'm not comfortable doing something, I'll generally find another way or walk off the job.

Well said John. That attitude is the core of any safety protocol, one I share myself.
 

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i agree with him, if i think i need saftey glasses i will go to my tuck and get a pair. if i see a bunch of masons three stories up laying brick i will get the ole hard hat out. if i am flagging traffic at night i will get the saftey vest on. but if i am running a loader stripping top soil in a 20 acre field i will leave that crap in the truck. i have to live with what happens to me. i work for myself, and i really hate if when some job site super gets in a twist cause i am not fallowing his safety plan that i have never seen or signed. all this crap is just cover your ass bs, and it has gone to far. we all wonder why we can't find good operators like there used to be, well because those men were responsible, not given lists of rules but learned by doing. and i bet all of you that have lost a finger or an eye know what to do as do the people that were there the day you did it, and all the people you told about it. the man i was named after is missing a finger he caught it in between pipe he was fitting. so when we are doing big pipe i watch out not because a safty manuel says to. i really do believe that if you show up for work wearing gloves, saftey glasses, vest, hard hat, steel toe boots, hearing protection and a athletic cup; you are just as prone to getting hurt cause you can't see, hear, feel, or get out of the way!!!! use your head not the law, that is what he is saying, and that is the kind of guy i want on my site not a lawyer
 

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He isn't saying that safety is BS. He is saying the place that have "safety first" plastered on everything is BS.
 

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When I was a freshman in HS in my shop class we were painting our projects. One of the seniors in the class was apparently having trouble getting his spray-paint can to work, he had the tip off and was looking down fiddling with it trying to get it to spray (bright eh?). He did not have safety glasses on. I grabbed a pair of the rack and walked over and handed them to him, saying nothing, he mumbled something about it was ok, but thanks anyway. I walked away. 15 seconds later he walked in the door with a completely blue face, except for the raccoon eyed area where the safety glasses were. needless to say, I earned his respect that day.

I personally believe that taking safety measures speeds productivity. When I'm on a roof completely set up, I work a-lot faster with a much higher quality product. I only need to focus on the task at hand, not on reducing the risks because I took a shortcut.
 

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Why should what Mike says be considered seriously.

He is an actor and unless he eventually becomes president of the US, his views are no more relevant than anyone else who doesn't work in construction, heavy industry or any other industry where a person can be seriously injured or killed.

With huge fines and jail sentences for serious or fatal accidents, safety really has become a top priority. You can't even bid some jobs without an excellent safety record. A bad safety record costs a company real money in insurance, workers comp etc., never mind the fines and lawsuits that can result. Government licenses are increasingly based on the safety record and are revoked if bad enough. Accidents, injuries and fatalities are no longer just a cost of doing business, that engineers used to calculate depending on the size of the job.

Of course profitability and productivity are important as well. But good companies and workers achieve that safely, not by taking shortcuts or ignoring safety rules. Indeed some companies fail today because they didn't understand this. It is one thing to know how to do your job but it takes more skill and ability to do that job safely.

I have been frustrated by some who take safety to extremes. I was recently told to wear my gloves while I was writing on a clipboard for example. Things like that make people lose respect for safety rules that are not based on common sense. However overall I am glad that safety has become important enough at most of the companies I work for that it is definitely no longer a "dog and pony show".

I like Mike (sounds like a campaign slogan) and his show but he should keep his views to himself. If he wasn't a celebrity no one would pay any attention. Wouldn't mind talking to Mike over a beer but I wouldn' t want to talk about safety.
 

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Why should what Mike says be considered seriously.

He is an actor and unless he eventually becomes president of the US, his views are no more relevant than anyone else who doesn't work in construction, heavy industry or any other industry where a person can be seriously injured or killed.

With huge fines and jail sentences for serious or fatal accidents, safety really has become a top priority. You can't even bid some jobs without an excellent safety record. A bad safety record costs a company real money in insurance, workers comp etc., never mind the fines and lawsuits that can result. Government licenses are increasingly based on the safety record and are revoked if bad enough. Accidents, injuries and fatalities are no longer just a cost of doing business, that engineers used to calculate depending on the size of the job.

Of course profitability and productivity are important as well. But good companies and workers achieve that safely, not by taking shortcuts or ignoring safety rules. Indeed some companies fail today because they didn't understand this. It is one thing to know how to do your job but it takes more skill and ability to do that job safely.

I have been frustrated by some who take safety to extremes. I was recently told to wear my gloves while I was writing on a clipboard for example. Things like that make people lose respect for safety rules that are not based on common sense. However overall I am glad that safety has become important enough at most of the companies I work for that it is definitely no longer a "dog and pony show".

I like Mike (sounds like a campaign slogan) and his show but he should keep his views to himself. If he wasn't a celebrity no one would pay any attention. Wouldn't mind talking to Mike over a beer but I wouldn' t want to talk about safety.

From my experience all Mike has done is put into words the realities of what I have personally experienced. I hope what he said is not lost based on who wrote them, as i find them to be very true.
 

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In a nutshell,he is saying safety is of course important,but we certainly do not need OSHA or any other gov't alphabet soup entity dictating to us what we have to do.I have a good friend who's an engineer who oversees huge jobsites and he's constantly ragging on me that I'm supposed to wear a hard hat as a sole employee of my biz when I'm not in my dozer or hoe.Even in my dump truck I'm required to wear it.To me, that's just pure BS.If there's nothing overhead to fall on me,what's the point?It's bad enough we have to listen to Big Brother wearing seat belts,but I draw the line at stupidity.Do baseball players wear their helmets out in the field?Isn't there a slight possibility on a pop up the fielder will get blinded by the sun and the ball will smack him square on the noggin?Aren't heads of ball players just as important as construction workers?I once saw a guy on a paving crew get his foot caught in the extending hydraulic wings on a paver.Luckily,he was fine because that day his steel toe boots were left home to dry out, so he wore his second string non-steel toe boots and his foot was able to arch just so slightly to prevent his foot from being crushed.Common sense should prevail,not some 500 page manual written by some suits who are only looking for a nice cushy gov't paycheck with all the perks,benefits that we all pay for.
 
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