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John Deere or Hitachi

Abscraperguy

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Just wondering what your preferences are and why. Looking back in the forums its been discussed to death whether Deere makes ex's for Hitachi or vice versa. That is NOT what this thread is about.:D

I'm thinking of the hoes in the 160 to 450 size range. What are some specific problems you've had with one or the other or strengths you feel that one has but not the other.
 

dayexco

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well..........the hitachi's paint is oranger than JD's...and the JD's paint is yellower than hitachi's
 

Kgmz

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I would probably stay with a Deere, but would not have a problem with a Hitachi.

Basically same machine with different engines, Isuzu for Hitachi and Deere for Deere. In same size machine they are both rated for the same horse power, but the Deere engines are a larger displacement. Example for 160, Isuzu engine is 2.99 liter and Deere engine is 4.5 liter So my main reason for a Deere over a Hitachi is I would rather have a larger engine if rated the same, maybe the Deere engine doesn't have to work as hard for the same HP.
 

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I think both are good choices, but what work do you plan to do with the unit? 160 to 400 is a big difference. I went with an EX60 because my target market is cottage country were people want the dead trees removed without chewing up the land and trees around them.
 

792DLC

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Motors Hitachi I do believe has 4 cyl vs Deere's 6 in the 200 to 270. Everything is the same except pumps are set up for each machine differently. Plus deere has the hydraulic cooling fan (it moves alot of air when it kicks in), with optional reverse. I do know that the Deere 270D didn't have as much jam as our old 792DLC in the frost same Bucket Width.
 

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I ran a tachi 270 with the 4 cyl witch had been replaced 2 times and three sets of injectors. The same company had the same year deere 270 6 cyl and it was a better machine in performance and service history.

I think and this is just my 2c that the 4cyl is being worked a little hard
 

245dlc

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I don't like how the bottom plates on the house are made of such thin steel and they are quite easily damaged if your doing demolition work or working in the bush. Other than that they are really nice excavators and dig a lot harder than Cat machines and are faster too. Just don't buy anything from Weldco-Beales or Brandt tractor's brand of attachments.
 

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basically the only differance between the Dere and Hitachi Hoes are the engines Deere and Isuzu, and the cooling systems and different as well. I have also heard but cant prove, the hitachi's are better on fuel.
 

792DLC

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I don't like how the bottom plates on the house are made of such thin steel and they are quite easily damaged if your doing demolition work or working in the bush. Other than that they are really nice excavators and dig a lot harder than Cat machines and are faster too. Just don't buy anything from Weldco-Beales or Brandt tractor's brand of attachments.

What is wrong with Weldco-Beales (Brandt tractors brand sucks but they do have Weldco's ex head engineer)?
What buckets or attachments do you have a problem with?
 

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I prefer the 6 cylinder engines of Deeres over the small 4 cylinder Isuzu's in the Hitachis. The Isuzu's supposedly burn less fuel than the Deeres, but the deere engines 'feel' more powerful, sound nicer, and Deeres just seem to move through dirt a little faster and more forcefully. Plus, a big engine would probably outlast a smaller engine producing the same power (though Isuzu fans often say the opposite - I've never seen a bad Isuzu engine myself. Most of them seem to go 16k+ hours without a rebuild if you aren't doing much cold weather starting.)

I can also confirm that the pumps and cooling setups in Deeres (120-350) are different than those in Hitachis, probably due in part to the bigger engines using up more space, and John Deere's engineers' preferences.

I have a Deere 200LC with rebuilt engine and new pumps and so far I'm pretty pleased with it for the most part. It's very smooth and powerful, it'll definitely outdig a CAT 320BL (it's main competitor from its time). Maintenance is a bit of a headache though due to the idiotic machine layout. Here's an example

<slightly off topic rant>
Oil change on a CAT 320BL (cat's equivalent of 200LC at the time):
1. Place bucket under machine.
2. Open hood but undoing 2 latches.
3. Open oil drain valve.
4. Unscrew and replace the conveniently located and easily accessible oil filters right in front of you.
5. Close oil drain valve and fill in new oil.
6. Close and latch hood.
Easy, that's it.

Oil Change on my Deere:
1. Crawl under machine and remove 6 bolts to remove bottom access cover.
2. Reach into the abyssal hole above you and remove drain plug, and then get your entire arm covered in oil because you had to reach in there.
3. Quickly get out of the way and put bucket where you were sitting to minimize oil spill on floor.
4. Clean your arm.
5. Reach way into the abyssal hole under machine and feel oil filter at the limit of your reach. Put a big vise-grip on the filter.
6. Open hood by undoing 2 latches.
7. Fetch a crowbar and try to rotate filter from above by pushing on the vise grip located in the middle of the machine.
8. Try unscrewing filter. If unsuccessful, reposition vise-grip.
9. Repeat steps 7-8 as necessary.
10. Struggle to put in new filter in abyssal hole and get filter gasket covered in caked-on mud.
11. Clean and re-grease new filter gasket and keep on trying till you get the filter on while it's clean.
12. Replace oil drain plug.
13. Try to put the bolts for the bottom access cover back on using your hands while supporting the cover with your feet.
14. Climb back on top of the machine to fill the new oil. Fill the oil.
15. Close and latch hood.
My first oil change on that machine really pissed me off.

At least they've partly fixed the problem on the new D series machines by putting the oil filter in a more accessible location (the C series are just as bad as mine).
</slightly off topic rant>
 

245dlc

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What is wrong with Weldco-Beales (Brandt tractors brand sucks but they do have Weldco's ex head engineer)?
What buckets or attachments do you have a problem with?

The two bolt wedge lock idea is ridiculous you have to always bring extra bolts with you even if you weld the nuts onto the quick attach as I've seen done in the past. And unless you have a 3/4 drive impact wrench on site (which most don't) the bolts almost always loosen up. Or you can stand there and pound the wedge in with a hammer as hard as possible, then tighten the bolts again and pound some more. The only speedy thing about it is that you don't have to pound in any pins or line them up.
The 200D I'm running these days has the reversing fan on it which is pretty nice but I've gotta convince the boss to get some kind of trash screen so it'll be a little more effective. I also wish it had heavier plates on the underside of it like the Cat machines to protect the underside from trash being pulled up by the tracks when I'm doing demolition work. But the power and speed is a lot nicer than Cat for sure.
 

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I would probably stay with a Deere, but would not have a problem with a Hitachi.

Basically same machine with different engines, Isuzu for Hitachi and Deere for Deere. In same size machine they are both rated for the same horse power, but the Deere engines are a larger displacement. Example for 160, Isuzu engine is 2.99 liter and Deere engine is 4.5 liter So my main reason for a Deere over a Hitachi is I would rather have a larger engine if rated the same, maybe the Deere engine doesn't have to work as hard for the same HP.

The Isuzu engine in the Hitachi is a 4.33 litre from what i can make out!
 

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120 and 160 sizes I prefer Hitachi. Hitachi is quieter, seems smoother, bit quicker, and burns less fuel.

Anything bigger or smaller wouldnt make no difference to me wether it was yellow or orange.
 

792DLC

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I can also confirm that the pumps and cooling setups in Deeres (120-350) are different than those in Hitachis, probably due in part to the bigger engines using up more space, and John Deere's engineers' preferences.

I'm pretty sure that the pumps are the same. Just set up differently for their respective motors. But yes the cooling system is different.
 

Panhandler Bob

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basically the only differance between the Dere and Hitachi Hoes are the engines Deere and Isuzu, and the cooling systems and different as well. I have also heard but cant prove, the hitachi's are better on fuel.

:cool:Not a controled study, one outfit I was workin for had a JD450 & Hitachi450 on the same job JD had a 5 yd. bucket Hitachi had a 3.5 yd. bucket same boom & stick on both. I ran each for 6 weeks, Hitachi burned alot less fuel. But I like big motors. Old drag racer told me years back "There ain't No substitue for cubic inches." Bob aka ZZ
 

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:cool:Not a controled study, one outfit I was workin for had a JD450 & Hitachi450 on the same job JD had a 5 yd. bucket Hitachi had a 3.5 yd. bucket same boom & stick on both. I ran each for 6 weeks, Hitachi burned alot less fuel. But I like big motors. Old drag racer told me years back "There ain't No substitue for cubic inches." Bob aka ZZ

Don't the 450 and bigger Deere's use Isuzu engines?
 
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