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Ford in Fords not IH 2011
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4x4_Welder
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If you maintain the engines properly and don't beat them like a rented mule, they last quite well. If you have an employee who uses the governor as a shift point or speed limiter, I don't care who made the engine, it'll have problems.
As far as the C6, I guess it was -the- transmission to swap in because it was so weak. I have seen them go over 400k in severe duty (stop and go in FL) without any work other than routine maintenance. Name me even a TH400 or TF727 that can touch that- Even the GM Allison units can't handle the Dmax with even a 60hp tune.
As far as the C6, I guess it was -the- transmission to swap in because it was so weak. I have seen them go over 400k in severe duty (stop and go in FL) without any work other than routine maintenance. Name me even a TH400 or TF727 that can touch that- Even the GM Allison units can't handle the Dmax with even a 60hp tune.
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Sorry steve its a 6.4 in the ford with egr and dpf the egr exhaust gas recirculation pipes exhaust gas from the up pipe before the turbo back into the intake. it does not rejen with fuel. The dpf filter when getting restricted has the computer dump another pulse(regen) of fuel into the exhaust stroke to raise the egt's to burn the particulates out.
The new ford engine is supposed to be 6.7L just like the current cummins
Thanks 05cummins, I got all these displacements a little twisted when typing. I'm not the best on the emissions equipment, thanks for the clarification.
Not at all, I'm usually a stickler for details. I knew EGR is exhaust gas recirculation, can you tell us what DPF and UP pipe are?
The new trucks will have SCR, Selective Catalytic Reduction where liquid urea (DEF) is injected into the exhaust to convert nitrous oxide to nitrogen and water vapor.
Anyone had enough of emissions abreviations yet???
The new trucks will have SCR, Selective Catalytic Reduction where liquid urea (DEF) is injected into the exhaust to convert nitrous oxide to nitrogen and water vapor.
Anyone had enough of emissions abreviations yet???
DPF diesel particulate filter it scrubs the fine particles out of the exhaust gas these fiters plug and need to be cleaned this system is automatic when the computer senses a plugging DPF it dumps raw fuel into the cyl on the exhaust stroke witch raises the EGT exhaust gas temp enough to burn the particles in the filter witch is called a dpf filter regen. All fine and dandy but number one the burn off never fully cleans the DPF filter so there is a restriction causing performance loss. 2 its using more fuel up to one litre a minute in a Regen.
so in the end your truck usess more fuel then it did before some regens can last ten to fifteen min. Trucks can regen everyday three times a day or once a month depends on your driving style and Idle time. The aftermarket has developed ways to fool the computer or program it right out of the system so you can remove the DPF and EGR systems on Dodge Ford and GM giving you more power and better fuel economy rmoving the dpf or egr without a fooler or programer capable of deleting the regen will cause your truck to A go into a limp mode or B regen all the time.
An uppipe on a ford and gm is just a pipe that comes up from the exhaust manifolds to the turbo witch is in the v of the motor.
Sorry if there are spellin errors or somthing dont make total sense im on alot of pain killers right now
so in the end your truck usess more fuel then it did before some regens can last ten to fifteen min. Trucks can regen everyday three times a day or once a month depends on your driving style and Idle time. The aftermarket has developed ways to fool the computer or program it right out of the system so you can remove the DPF and EGR systems on Dodge Ford and GM giving you more power and better fuel economy rmoving the dpf or egr without a fooler or programer capable of deleting the regen will cause your truck to A go into a limp mode or B regen all the time.
An uppipe on a ford and gm is just a pipe that comes up from the exhaust manifolds to the turbo witch is in the v of the motor.
Sorry if there are spellin errors or somthing dont make total sense im on alot of pain killers right now
One thing I was reading on the 6.7 Ford was it has a egr bypass for when the motor is warming up. I wonder what would happen if you let it bypass all the time. I know a common mod on the 6.0's is an egr delete. If Ford has designed a bypass there may be no need for a delete. The urea injection is suppose to make the dpf much smaller as well so mileage should be much better.
I still drive my 02's with the 7.3's so I haven't messed with egr's or dpf's yet, but the time will come when I have to get a new pickup. I just wish they still made the Excursion! My wife doesn't know what she will replace it with when the time comes.
I still drive my 02's with the 7.3's so I haven't messed with egr's or dpf's yet, but the time will come when I have to get a new pickup. I just wish they still made the Excursion! My wife doesn't know what she will replace it with when the time comes.
All newer trucks with EGR have a valve to cycle the circulayion on and off during cold starts and other paramiters. Problem is without a programer aor fooler box to make the computer think its workin it will throw engine codes then start to derate the engines power. If you just unplug it it will read the circut as open and not functioning. There are no free or easy mods to these motors.
We will have to see what the urea systems are like but i assume the cost of ownership will increase with that as well urea aint guna be free and one more system with problems to maitain.
my old 99 cummins gets a true 25mph and there telling me a 6.4 ford that gets 10 on the hwy is better for the enviroment getting more then twice as bad fuel economy.
I think its just better for oil companys pocket books
We will have to see what the urea systems are like but i assume the cost of ownership will increase with that as well urea aint guna be free and one more system with problems to maitain.
my old 99 cummins gets a true 25mph and there telling me a 6.4 ford that gets 10 on the hwy is better for the enviroment getting more then twice as bad fuel economy.
I think its just better for oil companys pocket books
Like 05cummins above said, I can't understand how we are helping emmisions by burning WAY more fuel.
Since 1995, every truck I have bought got less mpg than the last one, and also had more repairs done to it than the one before it. I drive 3/4 ton 4X4 diesels, and my 95 dodge got average 19mpg
wet to a 99 Ford 7.3, got 17 mpg
03 Ford 7.3, 15 mpg
06 Ford with a 6.0, 13mpg
I refuse to buy a Ford 6.4. I have friends with them, getting 11 mpg
My company had 6 6.0 Fords. after 3 1/2 years, only one had not had major engine problems, and it got sold recently when it showed the first signs of the trouble the others have had.
One has had 2 engines under warranty, 1 had 3, and got replaced under the lemon law before it had 25,000 miles.
The other 3 have all had the fuel system replaced at least once, one of them 2 or 3 times, I forget.
As far as I am concerned, they are a total disaster.
Talking to the Ford dealer mechanics, and they say the 6.4 has 2 to 3 times the trouble of the 6.0!!!!
I will never own one of them. I am thinking of buying older used trucks with low miles instead of new. They just keep getting worse, and it is a shame, becase the rest of the truck is really nice.
Maybe Fords new engine will be better, but I will not even think of buying one untill it is proven for a few years.
Since 1995, every truck I have bought got less mpg than the last one, and also had more repairs done to it than the one before it. I drive 3/4 ton 4X4 diesels, and my 95 dodge got average 19mpg
wet to a 99 Ford 7.3, got 17 mpg
03 Ford 7.3, 15 mpg
06 Ford with a 6.0, 13mpg
I refuse to buy a Ford 6.4. I have friends with them, getting 11 mpg
My company had 6 6.0 Fords. after 3 1/2 years, only one had not had major engine problems, and it got sold recently when it showed the first signs of the trouble the others have had.
One has had 2 engines under warranty, 1 had 3, and got replaced under the lemon law before it had 25,000 miles.
The other 3 have all had the fuel system replaced at least once, one of them 2 or 3 times, I forget.
As far as I am concerned, they are a total disaster.
Talking to the Ford dealer mechanics, and they say the 6.4 has 2 to 3 times the trouble of the 6.0!!!!
I will never own one of them. I am thinking of buying older used trucks with low miles instead of new. They just keep getting worse, and it is a shame, becase the rest of the truck is really nice.
Maybe Fords new engine will be better, but I will not even think of buying one untill it is proven for a few years.
Take a 6.0 out of a school bus they run good dont blow head gasket put that same motor in a superduty let ford tune it and you know what there like so does this tell you ford knows what there doin. Same as dodge puting 10 micron fuel filters on common rail trucks that can only handle a 4 to 5 micron particle in the fuel system
Deeretime
Senior Member
I don't know how its doesn't make scene the burning more fuel can decrease pollution. Does it sound intelligent well no, but emissions for diesel is just like emission for gassers in the 70s. It blew, but it will get better. I hope the addition of Urea can help the mileage out some it shouldn't take much to of set the cost. I hear the Urea on the Baby Dmax would have to be serviced every oil change. The Dmax goes 10-12k on an oil change not that the Baby will to but...
What is BS is that diesel emissions are nothing comparative to to gassers without this junk.
What is BS is that diesel emissions are nothing comparative to to gassers without this junk.
4x4_Welder
Member
What kills diesels is the smoker crowd. The greenies see these guys out there with twin 6" stacks on a late 90s Ram, belching tons of smoke, then suddenly all diesels are these noisy dirty things. While NOx is a problem with diesels, it's just as much of a problem with the pet hydrogen engines. At least biodiesel is a net-gain process, rather than hydrogen or alcohol.
What's funny is that nearly any emissions equipment, except for an EGR and PCV in a gas engine, decreases fuel mileage.
What's funny is that nearly any emissions equipment, except for an EGR and PCV in a gas engine, decreases fuel mileage.
you would meen like this
YouTube - NADP August Blackout 2009 vid 1
and its not the greenies doing it to stock trucks cause of this i they know we just take that stuff off to
its just a money grab from oil companys funding the epa so to make more stringent regs and then making deals with auto makers to use systems that burn more fuel
YouTube - NADP August Blackout 2009 vid 1
and its not the greenies doing it to stock trucks cause of this i they know we just take that stuff off to
its just a money grab from oil companys funding the epa so to make more stringent regs and then making deals with auto makers to use systems that burn more fuel
rwatkins
Well-Known Member
Why do you have to pick on the old dodges. I see more new trucks out there blowin smoke than old dodges. The new truck you just throw a chip on it and put your foot to the floor. Today alone i saw 2 ford 6.0h no's belching smoke as the floored it by us while we were working on the side of the highway. I try and keep my smoke for the track with the puller. But no matter what its all goin down hill now. Emissions get tighter, trucks get more exp. fuel gets more exp. and the govnt gets worse and worse everyday.
4x4_Welder
Member
The early 24v Cummins were some of the first diesel pullers to be exploited. Before that, it was mostly supercharged gas V8s and gas V8-based engines.