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Why do most people preferred other brands than China made equipment?

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There certainly is no comparison between the name brand vise grips and the Chinese knock offs. I don't mind paying double for quality tools, but when the good quality stuff is ten or twenty times the price of Chinese tools, who can afford the good stuff?

Maybe the North American and European (and Aussie) manufacturers need to look at ways to become more competitive. Much of the retail price difference between the Chinese and non-Chinese tools happens because of the outdated wholesale and retail distribution system that we have in North America. Places like Harbor Freight and Princess Auto bring the stuff in from China in large quantities and sell it cheap. In contrast, name brand tools can pass through two or three middlemen, and each one marks up the price by 50 or 100%.

They make 50 cents to a dollar in China, no health-care, worker comp, insurance, property taxes, currency manipulation and a host of other things. We will compete how, by living like them? I don't touch that crap until it's not made here. As people buy more crap from China the less that will be made here. I just paid 550 for a Titan tire vs 350 for Chinese crap.

Get kill in a Chinese mine and you family gets about 100-150 bucks and they kill the poor people like flies there because it's cheaper.
 
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Agreed that much of the Chinese made stuff is junk. Unfortunately, top quality products often are much more expensive so we end up buying the Chinese stuff.

Two weeks ago I needed to buy a 36 mm box end/open end wrench. The made in China version was $12.95. A name brand (not sure where it was made) was $200.00. Which one would you have bought?

you got ripped at 12.95 http://www.bostonindustrial.com/36cowr.html

Proto & Sears 85-90 bucks. That is what I would have bought. Then when I die I can leave it to someone.

Look on ebay and see scaffold frames going dirt cheap. All made in China. Good-bye scaffold made in the USA. Chinese stuff is about 25-30% of the price.
 
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I'm afraid the buzz about this 'reputation' thing with China hits again.

Now you understand the answer to your original question.

If they can make / build it right for thier own use / consumption what hell chance does the rest of the world stand of receicing it fit for purpose.
 

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Now you understand the answer to your original question.

If they can make / build it right for thier own use / consumption what hell chance does the rest of the world stand of receicing it fit for purpose.

Yeah, the guys here explained it well.
Chinese suppliers had asked me the same question before and hadn't found an answer.

Well, for now it's clear as crystal.. The problem was exposed.


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If it works for them, thats their issue. If it works for you, its your issue.

Look at LiuGong. Their wheel loaders are Caterpillar design. The Caterpillar machines with those designs were built in China, contracted to LiuGong.

And while we're on the subject... Why do almost all Chinese loaders seem to have the prefix"ZL..."? Is it just me or have you noticed as well?
 

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And while we're on the subject... Why do almost all Chinese loaders seem to have the prefix"ZL.

I cant say I have noticed, but do those marked as such have the "Z" bar linkage on the bucket and could it be that "L" stands for Loader when translated from Chinese :D
 

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One reason I hate it is that most foreign jobs either arent around in 10 years, or they have quit making parts. GENERALLY, most big named brand stuff you can find parts for it. It might be through the dealer at a heck of a price but parts you need can be had
 

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I think that's another problem with equipment made in China. You can't easily find parts for it. And it's not easy to change the parts with other brands.

I had accompanied my sister on the market yesterday, and we have passed by electric pianos for sale. They are very cheap, ranging from 37 USD to 125 USD. When we had asked why it's so cheap, since my sister is a pianist, the lady said that the pianos are made in China and they're disposable. It means that once a key or a part of it malfunctioned, you cannot find parts to replace it, or making it useless.. So, all you got to do is dispose it and buy a new one. That's why they're cheap...:beatsme


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Safety issues are the controversies common to Chinese products, :cool2
But there are also famous brands like XCMG, LIUGONG, HC, and Feeler, going up the market.

Japan-made products are the most common in Asia like Tadano, Sumitomo, Komatsu, Hitachi, and Kobelco among others.
 

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Hey now - I think some of you guys are being a little too hard on the Chinese machines.
Just look at the attention to detail, for instance, on the seat fabric label from my new Chinese excavator.
 

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komatpillar

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Safety issues are the controversies common to Chinese products, :cool2
But there are also famous brands like XCMG, LIUGONG, HC, and Feeler, going up the market.

Japan-made products are the most common in Asia like Tadano, Sumitomo, Komatsu, Hitachi, and Kobelco among others.

Yeah I've heard a lot about Tadano cranes, and Liugong of China is coming up.

Special tool, the words on the picture aren't clear.

I know that not all Chinese products are substandard, some of them are indeed of good quality. But it's the impression they've got because of so many news on their imported products. Name it, toys, foods, baby's milks, home utensils, have some minerals that are not supposed to be present.. They just have to prove otherwise to change this impression.


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Hey now - I think some of you guys are being a little too hard on the Chinese machines.
Just look at the attention to detail, for instance, on the seat fabric label from my new Chinese excavator.

As komatpillar said, the pic is a bit small... :(

But if the post was sarcastic, I've gotta interject one thing here. I was in China this summer and was searching (explicitly) for the "poor translation" signs. From the moment I stepped off the airplane in Shanghai to the moment I stepped back on the airplane, I had my eyes peeled for every possible example I could use. What I found was startling (to me) -- technical translations were spot on. Anything that involved history, instructions, technical documents, anything "educated", really -- was perfect. The stuff that was weird and non-sensical was, incidentally, commands or suggestions. Stuff we take for granted like "Stay off the grass" would make no sense (in Chinese it'd be fine, of course, but in English it'd be the crazy stuff we see online).

So the question I always had was, why is it the simple (literally one-word, sometimes) stuff that can't get translated?
 

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So the question I always had was, why is it the simple (literally one-word, sometimes) stuff that can't get translated?

From what I know, they translate each of the Chinese characters to its corresponding English word. They have Chinese-English dictionaries, and usually they use it to translate Chinese sentences to English, - word for word, making it nonsensical, because one Chinese character sometimes is already a translation of two or more English words. It is also the same with translating English to Chinese. What people do is translate each English word to its Chinese translation basing on the dictionary. And it makes no sense or produces a different meaning to them.. It's vice versa, :D

But as you said, there are already too many Chinese who can speak really fluent English.


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Me makes 2! :usa

You know these feelings are exactly what went on with the Japanese machines in the early 1980's. EXACTLY..Ok Ok...so been in this business too long. If you look at Cat, most of their machines are made outside of the US by Shin Cat Mitsubishi, or Mitsubishi Cat if we discuss the forklifts. Their TLB..yup...factory in S.C....complete frame assemblies from Mexico roll by my house in Houston every day and more. Terex..German, and English machinery, Deere- Hitachi,,, Case, Owned by Fiat and Japanese Excavators, Brazilian Motor Graders, and more.
Like it or not, the imported machinery is here to stay.
FYI. LiuGong...Yup..once build under license to Cat...and Case! They also use U.S. made Cummins engines, brake components, accumulators, Italian hoses, Kawasaki hydraulics, Kayaba cylinders, Texaco and Mobil oils. They also OWN 49% of.........ZF power train component factory in the asian market. Support in Houston.
Sany uses Roxrouth hydraulics, Kawasaki pumps in some applications and Cummins engines.Support in Atlanta
XMG similar to Sany. Support in New York
Let's face it, the construction industry is now controled by imported machinery. Who and how well the companies support the machinery is what is important.
It really is hard to call stuff Junk..if it uses the same components as most other more well known equipment.
My two cents.
 

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The Japanese did export poorly made products after the Second World War. But by the 1960s, and increasingly thereafter, "made in Japan" became synomymous with quality.

The Chinese stuff is another story. And I don't think that "junk" is too strong a word for much of it. We all are familiar with substandard tools and other Chinese products that perform poorly - if they work at all. Dealers here on the prairies are bringing in small Chinese crawler dozers that make 1930s Cat products look advanced. They also sell cheap Chinese loaders. I'd rather spend the same money on a well used Cat or other major brand than on any new Chinese product.
 

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The label reads:

Made in China

  • Adopt the deluxe leather material
  • Deluxe neutral paper
  • Design the novel work of thin make
  • Record life the feeling years with think

Seems perfectly clear to me. :cool2

:)
 

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We have moved on and now were lost....
why didn't they just leave the squiggles and pictures of houses ,if they did we would probably understand it just as well.
 
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