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Yartu Tires?

DarrylMueller

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Steve it's well known that china tires might last around 1/2 the service time. The china truck tires won't last a recap. so the casings are scrap. I have been getting 70,000 plus on the service trucks 235x16 Sumotomo and Michlin. So if it's a keeper by good brand if it's not go china.
 

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Steve it's well known that china tires might last around 1/2 the service time. The china truck tires won't last a recap.

Geez, I don't know where you are getting your information from but it quite the reverse here. I was all geared up to put another set of Michelins on my 4 tonner and then I found out the Michelins are made in China anyway. I ended up putting the same Yoko's for steers and put LingLong 14 plies on the drives. They have done 20K miles and you can't even measure the wear. They are bulletproof around building sites and over rock and stuff. We don't get the rain/snow etc you do so I can't comment on the performance under those conditions. Being so hard I don't think it would be so good.

My dealer put me onto these chinese tyres because he is outfitting a lot of service trucks for the mines with them. He has some that have done over 80K miles and are still going very well. They were $80/tyre cheaper here...and I can't buy Australian so:beatsme I would think, at the moment the LingLong will do twice the mileage of the Michies.
 

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What I'm looking for are dedicated summer tires, I run dedicated snows for plowing but they wear real quick through the summer. I've been finding the same thing Squizzy, that many of the name brand tires have made in China stamped on them and with things as tight as they are, I could use the $160 saved to pay other bills.
 

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with things as tight as they are, I could use the $160 saved to pay other bills

I understand that Steve. That has been my philosophy over the last several months as well. When work was plentiful I would buy the best because usually it would last longer and be a better value. I wouldn't give the "off-brands" any consideration and I wonder how much money I wasted with that mentality?

The way things are now, I look for cheaper alternatives for a lot of things. The equipment and trucks are not working 8 5's now so it's time to experiment with some cheaper items. I am referrring to wear parts only, I still won't skimp on filters, oils, fluids etc but tires, track pads, teeth, etc are all being looked at.

Back on the subject, I know a few dump truck operators that run LingLong tires on the rear and have had good luck with the wear rates. The new LingLong casings are very comparable in price to a name brand recap, at least in my area. Is your F350 running 16 or 17 inch tires?
 

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They are 265/75/16s. I found a place in Carolina that will deliver them to my door at $98 a piece vs. $140 a tire and more for other brands.
 

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I went thru the same issue last summer and ended up with mastercafts on my F350 and hankooks on my Excursion. Both are holding up as well or better than any of the high dollar brands I ran prior. I got the mastercrafts for 110 mounted and the hankooks for 125. that was vs michelins for 189.
 

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Why don't you buy to new fronts & run recaps on the back? That's what i do on my pick up.
 

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Thanks Mudmaker for your purchase of an American made tire. Cooepr Tire and Rubber makes, Mastercraft, as well as Pro-comp, d***k Cepek, Hercules, Dean, Mickey Thompson, Nokian, And some other brands I can't seem to think of right now. From my desk I can see thousands of tires being sorted here at the factory :)

But even before I worked here, I most always ran Cooper and Dean tires, with good luck compared to the prices of some of the other tires.

I run Cooper Tires on all my stuff, but I am somewhat biased, since I work here.


Kirk DeFoor
 
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Thanks Mudmaker for your purchase of an American made tire. Cooepr Tire and Rubber makes, Mastercraft, as well as Pro-comp, d***k Cepek, Hercules, Dean, Mickey Thompson, Nokian, And some other brands I can't seem to think of right now. From my desk I can see thousands of tires being sorted here at the factory :)

But even before I worked here, I most always ran Cooper and Dean tires, with good luck compared to the prices of some of the other tires.

I run Cooper Tires on all my stuff, but I am somewhat biased, since I work here.


Kirk DeFoor

I was interested to hear that Cooper make Mickey Thompson tyres as well, D4's D5. I have been running Cooper STT's on a Holden Rodeo (Isuzu) 4 x 4 one tonne tray top, for nearly three years, with mixed success. Unfortunately, Coopers advertising campaign down here is better than the actual tyres. I bought them because of the advertised puncture resistance, but they are only marginally better in our situation, than other tyres. We have a major problem on our gravel roads with small pieces of wire puncturing tyres, tandem and triaxles are a nightmare. I do like the Coopers for their sidewall protection, they are wearing well and I think they would handle rocky conditions better than other tyres. Out of eight tyres, two had to be replaced because of the wires protruding from the walls, both were on the front and a stick went straight through the centre of the tread of another brand new tyre. I was talking to a tyre dealer in Alice Springs, in the centre of Australia and he was saying that that the Coopers don't seem to be able to handle the heat as well as other tyres. I think that I would probably still buy them, when I need more tyres, especially if I was going off road quite a bit.

We use Chinese made Double Coin tyres on our trucks and are very happy with them, but I will only use Michelins on the steer, for the safety factor.

Rn'R.
 

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RnR, I got my 80,000 out of the ST's on the old Hilux but the best set of tyres I had on the old girl was Kumho 235/85 R16's......now some moron in Venus Bay told me I would be fine getting along the beach down to Elliston. I finally got off that beach with 6 psi in the tyres.....I reckon if I'd had anything but the Kumho's on the old girl would still be there rusting.
 

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They are 265/75/16s. I found a place in Carolina that will deliver them to my door at $98 a piece vs. $140 a tire and more for other brands.

Then you still have to have someone mount and balance them. No one in town willing to wheel and deal on a set of tires with the economy this slow?

I also get a kick out of everyone saying this tire sucks or that tire sucks. The biggest thing of tire life is proper care. Proper air pressure is huge. Also, compare similar compound tires, by simply rotating tires and keeping them balanced makes them last a lot longer. I had a set of BF Goodrich all terrains on my truck. Friend of mine had a set too. His lasted 25,000 miles. He didn't do a thing to them. I rotated mine regularly, and they lasted me 70,000 miles. Just like anything, proper care and maintenance pays dividends
 

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In my area, advertised tire prices often don't include mounting and balancing, they tack that on as a service charge. With steel wheels I'll mount my own with a slide hammer type bead breaker and tire irons, the aluminum wheels I have to sub out and I have someone who does them reasonable for me.
 

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Few things I hate more than a ruined new tire. Here I always buy road hazard protection on my tires. That doesn't really help too much when you are on the side of the road changing a tire though.

I know one of the advertised things going to fight heat with tires is nitrogen inflation. I'm not sure I believe in it, since I can get 78% nitrogen for free. Then I'm told that nitrogen doesn't leak out of the buna innertube of the tire, (which is the only part that holds air). I figure if I put 78% nitrogen in and the air leaks out of it and I re-inflate my tire and a little more of the air leaks out, I should be getting a higher % of nitrogen for free.

I've heard from people that it really makes a difference.... I don't know.

I run the STT tires on my Dodge Diesel pickup in the 285/75/17'' size, been on there about a year, about 30,000 miles, I've rotated about 3 times, and they are wearing pretty good. I haven't had a flat yet, but it is pretty much a highway truck. When they are worn out, I'll probably put ST tires back on it.

You would be suprised of all the tires we make here. At any one time we are typically making around 400 different tires. Some of the mastercraft tires and the STT tires use the same exact green tire (uncured) in the molds.

Kirk
 

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You would be suprised of all the tires we make here. At any one time we are typically making around 400 different tires. Some of the mastercraft tires and the STT tires use the same exact green tire (uncured) in the molds.

Kirk

Is the STT tire a Cooper branded tire? I have been happy with my mastercrafts wear so far. I have close to 40k on them and they still look pretty good.
 

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Yes, it is the Cooper Discoverer STT (Super Traction tread). Lots of the green tires are the same, just makes a completely different tire when it comes out of the mold. Tires are smooth all over when they go into the mold, that is the negative of the tire. A bladder inflates with steam inside the tire, pushing the rubber into the contours of the mold and the heat cures the rubber. After a little while You have a new tire.

Kirk
 

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Thanks, I had cooper discoverer's several years ago on a 1/2 ton pickup. Haven't tried them on the heavier pickups.
 

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D4's D5, do you know anything about Big O tires? They're supposed to be made by Cooper. I missed out on the Yartu's and came across these at a slightly higher price.
 

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Yes, we make the Big-O tires in Texarkana. Really good looking tires. I believe the tire label have orange on them and says something like TBC corp, Memphis, TN.

It is hard to offer how good a tire is from looks alone, but the people who build tires, have no idea what they look like when finished, nor exactly what they are building. The quality control is equal for anything we make.

I am no tire expert at all, I am a computer/automation/instrumention guy.

I actually looked around in the sort area Friday evening and seen a lot of names. I'll try tomorrow to write more of them down and post the names of what we make. Sometimes we will make a few thousand of something and might not run them again for months. Other tires we make 24/7.

Things have been pretty slow at the Texarkana plant, but we just closed the plant in Albany, GA and had a fire at the Tupelo, MS plant. As bad as it hurts the employees there, we are getting more production at our plant.

Kirk DeFoor
 
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