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2008 John Deere 200 DLC Problems.

MVFD

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Hey guys long time no talk eh!

Well I hope everyone is making out ok during these times.

I seem to have hit a snag in work though.

I am currently still working well kind of, for a small company. one of the only ones still working here other then a few other samll jobs every one is laid off and most companies have shut down.


The problem comes from a 2008 John Deere 200DLC.

It has 1882 hrs and it keeps stalling when it is working. we have changed the fuel filter 3 times within the last 100 hrs. all hydraulic filter have been changed pretty much every filter has been changed.

it will run for a few hours then it will bog down and then often it will rev up again, but today it stalled continuously. what I have been doing to get it started it cracking the water fuel seperator and when doing that it releases what I think to be a vacum seal. then tighten it and it starts for a few more minutes. then either dies or bogs down. the check engine light has come on numerous times with all the bells.

My boss says he is working on the dealer to come out today or tomorrow with a proper techy to have a look at it. but because he has an outstanding bill with them they do not want to honor the warrenty. I dont blame them. I would do the same.

How ever I was wondering if anyone has run in to the same problems with thier machine or the same machine. I have thought maybe a blocked line but when I blew all the lines out they all seems clear and the filter are not dirty. my only guess is now that something in the computer area is telling the machine to stop getting fuel.


Damn I hate computerized machines.


PS I love the Deere 200, when it is working, it works great. very powerfull, very quick and very smooth. I have no complaints with it other then right now with the mystery problem.

I am lucky to have a job right now, even tho im not getting paid at this very point. in oct 2008 I was laid of from a company that said they had 15 years of soild work lined up. so when I started for them in jan 2008 I thought I was set for life at this company. I was employee 588 out of 650 some odd people.

we had 37 excavators (60's up to 345's), 9 wigglys, 4 dozers, 4 backhoes, 4 Highway gravel trucks with quad axel dumptrailers. 5 10ton packers, 6 fullsize loaders, Full scale rock crusher setup worth 7 million, and various other pieces of equipment. aswell the owner was 90% owner of a readymix company.. now that company has 5 operators working barely 40 hours a check and a few labours.....

I was lucky to get laid off when I did and find a job. but yea it was insane to see a company of that size fall flat on its face.



Thanks for the help guys, and best of luck to everyone here and the times we are dealing with.
 

dayexco

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if it's like my 690 elc, at the end of the fuel line pickup tube in the tank, there's a mesh screen. have you checked that to make sure some debris didn't get sucked up against that?
 

MVFD

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I will give that a try if they dont figure something out soon. my bank account is running low.
 

bill onthehill

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have you tried running with the fuel cap loose or taken off? vent might be clogged. some machines have a screen on the lift pump inlet. also look at the inlet to injector pump for a blockage.bill
 

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My boss says he is working on the dealer to come out today or tomorrow with a proper techy to have a look at it. but because he has an outstanding bill with them they do not want to honor the warrenty. I dont blame them. I would do the same.

John Deere supplies the warranty not the dealer, they should fix it regardless, as long as it is still in warranty. Unless it is a Canadian Law issue.:beatsme
 

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Look for a banjo bolt in the hand transfer pump. There is usually a strainer in the banjo.

I know you state that the machine is a Deere but what make of engine does it have? I've seen some Isuzus in Deeres lately.
 

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I ran into something very similar to what you describe on a Link Belt a number of years ago. It turned out to be a piece of plastic like you would find on a new filter as the wrapper. It was in the tank, and would periodically get sucked up against the pick up in the tank causing the machine to starve for fuel.

Brian
 

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Like John C said, there should be a screen that screws into a banjo bolt. However, I don't think that the Deere engine uses banjo fittings on the fuel lift pump. If you open the right rear door, is there a fuel filter mounted on the rear of the hydraulic tank? If there is and it has banjo style fittings, the screen should be in the inlet line. It's a very fine mesh screen and if your fuel supply tank has any debris in it, this screen will plug up.
 

SunServicesLLC

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On our two late model Hitachi 200's once a week in the am before machine has run for the day we have to open up the drain **** on the bottom of the tank and stick a heavy piece of wire up it to get the rust and gunk to flow out of the bottom with the watery diesel for 20 secs or so. If we dont do this we experience the same problems you do. It amazing how much crap out truck tranfer tanks put into the fuel even with filters!!!
 

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Look for a banjo bolt in the hand transfer pump. There is usually a strainer in the banjo.

I know you state that the machine is a Deere but what make of engine does it have? I've seen some Isuzus in Deeres lately.

It has a Deere 6068H in her. Deere engines are in the 120,160,200,240,270, and 350. The rest have either isuzus or yanmar now.

MVFD, sorry to hear about your problems. We've not had that prob with our 200D yet.
 

MVFD

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Well Im now 8 days and counting with not one hour worked. boy is this paycheck going to be sad.

On the other hand the dealer came and picked it up on saturday this past weekend and took it to their shop about 2 hours away. they have closed the one close to us due to the economy. So I probley will not see it till friday or next week. havnt told us anything on what it might be just yet.

As deereman said it is the Deere 6068H. Great motor, lots of power, doesnt like saving fuel. I was looking through the computer on it the other day and in 1250 hours it has consumed 23,000 L of fuel. or roughly 6077 Gallons. which is roughly 18.8L/hr Ive heard the Hitachi's with the isuzus are getting between 14 and 16L/HR..

As for the dealership not honoring the warrenty. I dont believe that it is a legal issue I just think that with the $15000 outstanding bill they didnt want to help this guy out anymore intill he paid up....

by the way that machine has been since Repoed this weekend aswell.


As for my machine.... the payments have been made other wise its the soup kitchen for my boss.


When we find out what the problem was I will keep you guys posted. thanks for the help. and what was up with the site being down....? I couldnt get on to it. for a couple days.
 

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UUUUUh...
Thought I'd ask this since noone else did and your descriptions match EXACTLY...

What brand of anti-gel are you putting into the Deere up there in B.C.?
 

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if it's like my 690 elc, at the end of the fuel line pickup tube in the tank, there's a mesh screen. have you checked that to make sure some debris didn't get sucked up against that?

From the description of the problem this is where I would look :yup
A similar problem was occuring to a large new ADT, after many days and different guys looking at it a plastic pipe blanking plug was located in the fuel tank, every now and then it got sucked against the fuel pipe and .......... stop.
Wait a few seconds turn the key and it would run for maybe an hour, maybe a minute, maybe a whole shift :Banghead
 

MVFD

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Anti Gel???? Im lucky to get diesel and grease right now lol. times are tough.

on the same token our coldest temp right now is about -5C or 23F.

and those nights are far and few between. We have not dropped past +5 most nights.

And well lets be honest my boss aint the true equipment owner he probley should be or I would like him to be. Its different working for someone who really doesnt care... not what Iam use to but hey its paying my bills till things pick up again.
 

MVFD

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Well I have worked all this week and so far no more problems.

The dealer said it was a blocked line. lets hope thats all it was.
 

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Plastic wraper in tank and screan.

I ran into something very similar to what you describe on a Link Belt a number of years ago. It turned out to be a piece of plastic like you would find on a new filter as the wrapper. It was in the tank, and would periodically get sucked up against the pick up in the tank causing the machine to starve for fuel.

Brian

A friend had the same problem. We were running a new Deer 710G streight Vegetable oil in the summer. I think you have the same engine the primer on the filter will stay in vacuum. Deer should change it for free there are springs that might be week. The day I was there we cut the screan off. Then it did it again. This time we found a 2 X 3 piece of plastic that was inside the pickup tube. This happened again months latter plastic paper in the fuel tank again. It sounds like you have the same thing. With the blends of diesel and mixing of bio-diesel which is a great solvent any debris in the tank will start to circulate. I would take the tank off and have it cleaned, get a spotless barrel and a way to strain the fuel that is in the tank and use a white cloth so you can see dirt, also run the machine shake the up the fuel wile draining. I am sure that vacuum is a sure sign of dirty fuel or water. The new filters with a built in water seperator are smaller and take a lot less contamination to plug up the filters.
 
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