2 trees to a load?

We still have a few big ones around. This shot is from our only logging co. in the Juneau area. They always have something going besides logging.

That's one heck of a tree, especially when you consider the size of the KW!

Question - How come there is only one logging company in the Juneau area? Are the environmental rules tough or another economic reason?

You got it. Greenies have shut down everything or are trying to if it hasn't already been. Logging, Mining, road building, farting in the woods. you name it. OH I take that back not everything. The greenies here like to ski so they are punching in a new road across some muskeg, knocking down 4oo year trees just to have better access to a ski run.
it seems ok it they benefit but not ok for someone else to.

Those are great pictures, and one heck of a tree.

I can't believe the greenies let them cut down a 400 year old tree. I think the reason that there is only one logging compnay in Juneau is that they are so busy knocking down the old growth trees in British Columbia that there is no need to tangle with the regulations in Alaska. Virtually no protection for old growth forests in BC, so might as well harvest those forests first. It's the "low hanging fruit" theory.

Whats the excuse for not building the road AROUND the tree?! That really is a shame.

JJK said:

Whats the excuse for not building the road AROUND the tree?! That really is a shame.

Click to expand...

You think too logically. There's money in taking down the tree (lumber) and employment opportunities. Why bother saving a 400 year old tree.

You two sound like a couple greenies. If a tree is cut down in the woods will it grow back? Sure as long as some damn mall aint built in it's spot. Believe it or not there is still old growth around here (wachuset mt).

As for old growth foreset (or should I say desert) there really isn't much game in a true old groth forest becuase there isn't enough young vegitation growing on the ground that can be easily gotten. Simple reason not enough sunlight reaches the ground. Did you know new england has been harvested at least 4 times. New Hampshire is still 83% wooded and logging is one of it's prime industries. Heck most all of new england was farmland at one point. Timber is a true renewable resource.

That tree or should I say thoes 2 trees (there are 2 of them on that truck) were not the ones the greenie's cut down. They had the 400 year trees mowed down chopped up on the spot and left in the forest for there road to get to the top of a hill to ski.

it is the old "do as I say not do as I do syn drum".
or "not in my back yard"

Juneau is at least for the time been still the capitol of the largest park in the world. ALASKA and ware to better control the park but from the capitol. and who controls most parks? tree huggers, anti mining people, anti do anything unless I say you can people. They still drive cars that use oil, drive on asphalt roads, ride bikes on asphalt bike paths, use things made of plastic, Talk on plastic cell phones, use plastic in there computers, etc. (70% of most things we have today have some connection to the oil industries.
I have a long list of people here that are againist mining, logging, building a road out of Juneau etc. that when they call me to do work for them it costs at least double, because I make sure I jump through there hoops, I even put up silt fence for projects less then 200 sq ft when working in there yard. I was in a greenies yard once and turned them to DEC for having a leaky oil tank.
As you can see I don't get mad, I get even.

Dwan Hall said:

I was in a greenies yard once and turned them to DEC for having a leaky oil tank.
As you can see I don't get mad, I get even.

Click to expand...

You are hilarious. What other bad things have you done to get even with the greenies? i love it.

And by the way, PSDF 350, where is there old growth left in New Hampshire. I can't believe it--how did it escape the axes and chain saws all these years. And is it protected now?

Dwan Hall said:

That tree or should I say thoes 2 trees (there are 2 of them on that truck) were not the ones the greenie's cut down. They had the 400 year trees mowed down chopped up on the spot and left in the forest for there road to get to the top of a hill to ski.

it is the old "do as I say not do as I do syn drum".
or "not in my back yard"

Juneau is at least for the time been still the capitol of the largest park in the world. ALASKA and ware to better control the park but from the capitol. and who controls most parks? tree huggers, anti mining people, anti do anything unless I say you can people. They still drive cars that use oil, drive on asphalt roads, ride bikes on asphalt bike paths, use things made of plastic, Talk on plastic cell phones, use plastic in there computers, etc. (70% of most things we have today have some connection to the oil industries.
I have a long list of people here that are againist mining, logging, building a road out of Juneau etc. that when they call me to do work for them it costs at least double, because I make sure I jump through there hoops, I even put up silt fence for projects less then 200 sq ft when working in there yard. I was in a greenies yard once and turned them to DEC for having a leaky oil tank.
As you can see I don't get mad, I get even.

Click to expand...

lol thats pretty funny.

PSD - I'm not some "greenie" but to cut down a 400yr old tree just to put in a road is insane. I don't care who you are. There are hardly ANY nice wooded parks left here in NJ. Houses are only 10' apart in some areas or less. Luckily the state just made the northwest of our state farmland and you need atleast 5 acres to build a house.

Here more and more the arborists are trying to have the customer keep the tree & just trim it. Now that is a true renewable income that doesn't take 400 years to grow.

JJK said:

PSD - I'm not some "greenie" but to cut down a 400yr old tree just to put in a road is insane. I don't care who you are.

Click to expand...

I'm not some greenie either, I just can't wait around 400 years to cut it down again. 250 maybe but not 400

PSD - I'm not some "greenie" but to cut down a 400yr old tree just to put in a road is insane. I don't care who you are. There are hardly ANY nice wooded parks left here in NJ. Houses are only 10' apart in some areas or less. Luckily the state just made the northwest of our state farmland and you need atleast 5 acres to build a house.

Click to expand...

If the tree is in the way it's in the way, and needs to come down. Where not talking jersy here were talking alaska, a part of alaska that you cant even drive too. So some 400 year old tree that is sitting next to maybe a 500 year old tree or (2) 200 year old ones, whats the problem. Also whats the life expectancy of a sitka spruce?

And by the way, PSDF 350, where is there old growth left in New Hampshire. I can't believe it--how did it escape the axes and chain saws all these years. And is it protected now?

Click to expand...

Actually it is in massachussetts. It is on mt wachuset in the state park next to ski area. It is old growth forest, but not old old as in it was harvested in 1700s then grew back and hasn't been cut since.

Dwan,
What's the name of the last logging company there? I used to go up there multiple times a year to work on logging equipment. Silver Bay Logging was the last company I went to then.

Those logs look like spruce. I have seen those big enough that the shovel would barely pick on end. Most of the time they were rotten through the middle.

As I recall, it was the elected folks in DC that killed the logging in Southeast. The logging contracts for the Tongass were rescinded and that was the end of logging on Federal land. The last time I was up your way I was on Prince of Wales and the only logging was on private land.

A little story about the first time I went to Juneau. Me and a partner flew into Eight Fathom Bight to work on a Hough loader. The company owner picked us up and at the same time a plane load of Forest Service no nothings landed in another plane. They did not pull up to the float, instead unloading their gear on the beach at low tide. They walked up the road while we went to the camp. We were just getting started working on the machine when one of the other workers called us over to look through a gap in the trees. Sure enough most of that gear left on the beach was floating and getting all balled up in the waves. The logging company people had a lot of smiling faces that day.

Silver Bay went bottoms up about 8 to 10 years ago. The Tongass has been closed to logging like you said for many years. That is why the mill at Sitka closed also the mill in Haines and the one in Ketchakan. The loss of over 1000 jobs.

B.c. Logging

Wolf said:

Those are great pictures, and one heck of a tree.

I can't believe the greenies let them cut down a 400 year old tree. I think the reason that there is only one logging compnay in Juneau is that they are so busy knocking down the old growth trees in British Columbia that there is no need to tangle with the regulations in Alaska. Virtually no protection for old growth forests in BC, so might as well harvest those forests first. It's the "low hanging fruit" theory.

Click to expand...

Most of our logging in B.C. is second growth from the first world war, greenheads have shut down most old growth logging. And as you are probably aware, Home Depot has boycotted any lumber cut from "old growth" so that really slowed down the logging. There are still some big trees being cut, but it must be about 80% second growth here now. The greenies have no problem with cutting second growth, which is absurd. The second growth is the old growth of the future! The trees grow so fast here, we're even harvesting re-growth from the second war now. And that was all natural re-gen, not planted.

Big Tree

Here is a picture of a large Red Oak I cut a few days ago that measured 65" across the stump and had 1024 board feet (Doyle rule) in the first 16' cut. For Tennessee, that's a big tree! The saw is a Husky 395XP with 28" bar.

nice red oak, we cut one a few years was 6'6" on the stump

I read somewhere that the lower 48 has more forest now than when the Pilgrims landed. The east coast from Virginia north has so much forest that you can't see nothing for the trees.

JJK, there is a lot of woods in New Jersey, especially over on the west side around Stewartsville along the river. I don't know about parks, but I saw more deer there in the fall of 87 than a lot of other places I've been. I don't know if you can walk around in the woods near Stewartsville Dam and the impoundment. It's very nice there excepting for the bugs and humidity. Can't swim or fish the lake though, too much asbestos in the water, at least last I knew.

great pics

Two Trees

Hey Dawn, That is one nice looking KWopper Truck. Up my way we are Poor Boy Loggers and have to use old R Macks. Is that a Spotted Owl I see setting on the stick of that Track Hoe or is it a Booger on my PC Screen? Ha! Cat 236 0n the Kenai