Coaldust
Senior Member
- Joined
- May 9, 2011
- Messages
- 3,361
- Location
- North of the 60
- Occupation
- Cargo Tanks, ULSD, RUG, Methanol, LPG
If you have the time I wonder if you can buy one of those clean out hatches they put on hydraulic tanks, just one bolt on the center.
I'd just clean fix and run it, it's steel so it will always leak eventually or cost you money in fuel system components in the long run. Save up or build an aluminum.
Those old propane tanks are very skookum. I just looked at a 320 that had been converted to contain diesel. Someone had tactfully installed a hatch on top with a liquid fill. I was impressed. Not UL listed, no ASTM, no insurance company will touch it or fire Marshall will bless it. Great for the backwoods.I've considered it. I actually have an old one here with a full pump system - it was an old propane filling station unit. I've also got an old air tank of unknown volume but it's very thick and very heavy. I'm trying to get closer to 800-1000 gal. 2 round tanks of different sizes leaves me enough room in the bed to add the air greaser keg. And they are easy to move about when empty.
Getting in and out of 16" with gear on is pretty tough. I wish I had photos of all the 10 to 12,000I stock DOT406 and non dot approved 16” weld on hatches.
Some have fits.claustrophobic
They think they are ok until they get one or two baffles in, and then ftfo. Then, they scrape off chunks of hide trying to force their way out. lol. Slow is fast. Hopefully, they figure that out during confined space training.Some have fits.
Then, they scrape off chunks of hide trying to force their way out. lol. Slow is fast. Hopefully, they figure that out during confined space training.
I wouldn't rely on a coating to seal leaks.The dumper is a Yanmar C60R2 that will haul 6 tons or more of dirt/rock at about 4 psi fully loaded. It won't even notice the 1/2 load and the wet areas won't get trashed by that machine. I'm commuting back into the work area with the Polaris RZR which is also fairly low impact. No way my F550 makes it back into there. If I only need to refill every 5 or so days, that will work out great.
I'm dealing with what I have to work with. I've repaired several questionable tanks over the years with good success. I don't trust a tote that could be compromised. As my fueler said, "a tote is good until it is not! Then you have problems." Unless I find something better than the typical plastic with metal cage totes we have around here, I'll stick to steel. My fueler did not have any tanks available right now as all of his are out on jobs.
Thanks for the offer but too far away to justify. I'm making do with what I have available. As I said above, no tanks available at the moment.
I'll be steaming the tanks today once I finish the last of the repairs. Dual filters on order to place immediately downstream of my air-powered diaphram pump. Air line on retractable reel mounted on the mulcher machine will power fuel pump and grease barrel and make it difficult for anyone to steal fuel. The only legal way into my work area for the public is via horse and they don't drink the diesel.
I'm not familiar with the different models available. My fueler suggested one of the carbon steel totes but I have not seen any of those around here.
My tanks have pin holes that I've repaired. The coating will stop the rust and seal off anything in the works or leaks that I may have missed.
I'm burning about 20 gallons/hour average with this machine. I generally like to carry in 180-200 gallons per day. I am reclaiming fields that were allowed to get overgrown. I just have to get it clean enough to allow subsequent work with a bush hog so no fine detail work on this job. I am trying to work it back to the original tree lines where it's not too wet. Most of the fields are hard/dry enough to be worked without significant rutting by the tires, even at this time of the year.
Right now, I am considering welding on some 3/4" NPT pipe flange bases to the center points of the ends of the 2 tanks I'm working on. I'll thread in some 6" or longer nipples into those flanges and then hang the tanks via straps on a frame that will allow me to rotate the tanks for coating. If I adjust one strap tighter than the other, I can add a pitch to control my flow while rotating the product within.
I've also considered making a frame to do the same as the straps and then a quick couple base on that frame/fixture to attach to the excavator with the Rototilt coupler. I can plumb in a hydraulic motor and chain drive too continously rotate the tanks to spin in the coating and control flow directions with ease with such a method. Sort of depends on how long this weather keeps me down at the shop.
The fuel drinker. From a past job a few years ago making a thick mess into a residential plot.
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The Barman (drink distributor): from a past job shuttling rip rap down a 35 degree slope to the waterfront.
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I've heard of that outfit.IDK, these 31/Y IBCs are pretty tough. They are the only small portable tank, over 115 gallons, certified to be transported on the road with hazmat inside.
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Inside a 4 compartment transport doing visual.Closest I get to a "confined space" is my wife's Honda.
I wasn't aware they expired, ill have to check into that. That apply just for HAZMAT or lubes too?One of the few outfits making the effort to keep their totes current. Good for them.
One of the producers on the slope recently got pinched by the PHMSA for an Expired IBC. Did not help that it was dropped and caused a spill.
I'm not using the KBS Coating to seal current leaks. I've already taken care of those and pressure tested the vessels to make sure that they are leak-free before I add the coating and paint the exteriors. I've been at it like a dentist....deep prodding and hard poking any potential cavities that appeared on the bottom of the tanks. Anything weak let the probe penetrate. Those pinholes were enlarged and sealed off.I wouldn't rely on a coating to seal leaks.
In a commercial setting, almost always need a 2 wall tank, and sometimes even a containment pond. The cost of a spill is crazy. 1000 gallons to clean up would be well into the 6 figures, possibly 7 figures.
They fall under 49 CFR § 173.35 and require re-test every 30 months if they are in hazmat service. Lube totes don’t have to be inspected, but the data plate has to be covered for non-spec service.I wasn't aware they expired, ill have to check into that. That apply just for HAZMAT or lubes too?
Had one come back to us that'd apparently been setting "out back" for a while, was last inspected in 1984.
Heard about that. They came by to pickup a couple totes and the expeditor used enough straps it could have secured a D10!
Half the time it's "meh, just going a short ways down the road, it'll be fine"...
uhhh. ok. I'd at least put ONE strap!