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Teaching People About Simple Electrical

Jonas302

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The sad part is the factory manuals don't have very good trouble shooting. They tell you to ohm a wire to verify its good. It should only be tested with a load as a wire almost broke in to will show good continuity. I know guys make fun of you tube but there are serval guys there that know there ****. Scanner danner and south main auto are just a few. From what i see is the auto guys are way ahead of the heavy equipment guys in testing. I recently got a scope and its amazing what you can do with it.

Have you tried compression testing with and inductive pick up on the starter wire yet its an amazing job for a scope wish I had learned more on scopes before I left automotive world

Electrical is hard to teach just like showing someone how to grade by butt feel
 

92U 3406

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Very true. I'm glad the trade schools I took my apprenticeship training at had electrical, hydraulic and air brake boards that a mock up system could be built and troubleshot. Sometimes we'd even get vehicles or machines in with problems that they'd turn us loose on to try and figure out.

Beats reading a text book. Theory is important but if you can't translate that to the real world then you'll have a hard time being effective on the job.
 

92U 3406

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The apprenticeship is the time to learn. Once you get those Journeyman papers you're thrown to the wolves - no mercy.

Had one apprentice I mentored for a bit. Guy was afraid to step out of his comfort zone of oil changes and stickers. Even with me volunteering to work alongside him on some more difficult tasks he didn't want to do it. Last I heard he never managed to finish the program.
 

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Vehicle has electrical issues, never fails the person behind the wheel--How long will this take?
To get the proper reaction for asking that question--At least 18 hrs, but I have doctors appointment in
1.5 hours, will be gone the rest of the day and may not be able to work tomorrow.
 

DMiller

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This all sounds like easy money to me! :D

Always been the cream that floats out for those that know how to collect it!!

Battery cables can appear Brand New and be worthless, odd crack or as in some Fords, a Frame Ground mid cable lets all the nasty in and the cable commences to break the line, still looking New. Clean the cables on my old F250 SD at least twice a year as seemingly sits forever. Batteries this last time went seven years. Glow Plug relay just like a ford start relay and just as contrary, usually one every two to three years, last one failed was four years old, tested for output voltage on a test light, NADA, quick easy fix for long colder crank.

Although the Magic Smoke Gremlins CAN BE Gremlins and do some seriously Odd Sh!t on occasion.
 

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And first thing at 5:45 am today.
Trailer for service and I notice it has a dim top right marker at rear of trailer. Load my tools on the Genie
and up I go. Now so people understand this marker on this certain brand of trailer also flashes with signal.
I had already seen a repair order from another shop charging roughly $130 labor plus parts three weeks
prior. Remove the rivets for cover plate and a brand new Super Nova was installed, problem was it wasn't
the problem.
The harness in this trailer was made by Truck Light on bid for Van Guard Trailers. This particular marker
is a Dual Intensity Super Nova, built with resistor inside harness so it interrupts constant marker power
with a right hand signal power.
Well it was pretty obvious who ever worked on it thought it was a bad light with poor grounding. So they
just cut the old one off and spliced in a new marker-that didn't fix it so just fack it and run it out the door.
Below is the culprit the resistor built inline and the whole thing hardwired as a unit with light.
I cut it apart to show the orange/brown corrosion collected on white/ground and shrink tube cover.
Obvious they didn't check for ground first but they did check for power by poking a test probe into
marker wire. The thing is this light is not a DOT mandatory signal light so the fix is remove the whole
piece, forget the signal wire and turn it back to a 2 wire marker. This pos is roughly $25 bucks a piece.
But this is one of those where who worked on it had no clue.

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mg2361

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I'm definitely not the best troubleshooter out there but I try my best to not just throw parts at things. Its a matter of pride, I want to know 100% that the part I'm saying has failed has actually failed. If an extra hour of diagnostic time rules out a thousand dollar starter, we're still $800 ahead of the game.

Amen brother! I have said this before, When it comes to repairs, or troubleshooting, I'd rather get yelled at for taking too long than for doing it twice.

I keep a cheap little compass in my electrical test box.

I do too. Awesome little tool.
 

nowing75

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Have you tried compression testing with and inductive pick up on the starter wire yet its an amazing job for a scope wish I had learned more on scopes before I left automotive world

Electrical is hard to teach just like showing someone how to grade by butt feel
Yes i have used the relative compression test. Just used it on the girl friends car to find a dead hole. Serval of the scan tools have it built in. I also have a pulse sensor that you can put in cooling system to see if you have compression getting into the system. You can also put a Triger on it and find what cylinder it is. Im working on finding a sensor that i can pick up slight flow of hydraulic oil to find leaking valves with out opening up the system.
 

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Reviving an older post but this reminded me of the parts changer a previous manager was always praising for his completion times. Sure he could guess accuratly a lot of the times but when that didn't fix it, the job turned into a disaster. Shop foreman didn't believe my diagnoses that the product link computer was bad and draining the battery. So the foreman had this parts changer come over to go over it again, but the "tech" has no idea what to do with a hybrid loader and all the weird readings he was getting. He tore that loader's electrical to pieces. Luckily I was reassigned to another job so I didn't have to clean it up. Ended up being the computer, guy told me he just guessed at it was the last thing he could think of.
 

nowing75

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Have you tried compression testing with and inductive pick up on the starter wire yet its an amazing job for a scope wish I had learned more on scopes before I left automotive world

Electrical is hard to teach just like showing someone how to grade by butt feel
yes have, If you can Triger off an injector will lead you to the exact cylinder.
 
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