TOO Complicated for words

Truck Shop said:

Anyone who ever watched MASH! That's kind of what this is {this we can save, this one we
can't for now}. I run a MASH unit for trucks and I'm Hawkeye. It's that way everywhere.

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If you had Radar he could trade your old broken BBQ and some tins of beef for the parts you need lol.

I run into it hit and miss. Thankfully most of our stuff is older so we miss the modern warranty related issues. Weird stuff like oil, 1R1808 Cat oil filters etc have a delay. Did have to wait several months for IMT articulation joint parts.

When I order stuff now I double what I need when I can get my hands on them. We’re gonna use it.

I'm curious, is this just ebb and flow as in happened in the past this way on getting parts or this is new and this is a sign that we are headed down a rabbit hole? I'm not that old and haven't been around on this blue marble that long as most of you, so I don't know. Was the Carter days like this with whole oil embargo?

Spud_Monkey said:

I'm curious, is this just ebb and flow as in happened in the past this way on getting parts or this is new and this is a sign that we are headed down a rabbit hole? I'm not that old and haven't been around on this blue marble that long as most of you, so I don't know.

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There are so many contributing factors to this going back years, this wasn't just caused in the last two and
a half years. The public has been lulled/sold into thinking they need these innovations with the sales pitch
{It's a improvement that will help change your life for the better}. The only lives changed for the better
are the bean counters and CEO's of corporations.

I know this is low hanging fruit-But does anyone really need power door locks, power windows, climate control,
power mirrors, rear camera for backing up, heated seats, heated steering wheel, video capabilities, surround
sound, all wheel drive {most front wheel drive cars do very well}, 350 plus hp and up, auto transmissions with
more than 5 speeds, cars that park themselves, a tail gate that folds into a step-work bench and missal launching
pad.
All of that crap listed above creates a over designed wiring, fuse, relay and control module nightmare. The only
ones really benefiting from it is the manufactures. But this stuff was created with little to no support in the
long term. There is absolutely no reason to manufacture a truck with air disc brakes except to create massive
parts sales, but with just in time delivery dealers in many cases got use to running low inventories {the standard
reply became-be here tomorrow by 10:00 am}.

Years back every little parts house across America had on the shelf at all times {piston/ring sets, camshafts/lifters, complete gasket sets} with the advent of the $55,000 dollar throw away car that disappeared. Along with many
people capable of doing their own work.

There is nothing wrong with electronic fuel injection or common rail for diesels. But when manufactures design
bogus features like Detroit and one example is the computer controlled water pump with a magnetic clutch to
reduce parasitic power loss {bogus-has made zero change in fuel mileage} then cannot supply the futuristic
piece of crap for the last 4 years {constantly on back order} and charge a $1,100 for it--It's time for the
consumer to tell manufactures--{I'm mad as Hell and I'm not going to Buy it anymore}.

Junkyard said:

1R1808 Cat oil filters etc have a delay.

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There’s another P/N (2P-4005.?) that can be used as a replacement. Some deal about 1R-1808 being for industrial (or non-machine) engines and the other Part Number being for machine engines. The manufacturing process is apparently different but the filter media and the thread size is the same.

I just looked it up. You can use a 244-4484 (12 micron) element or 275-2604 (22 micron) or 272-1788 (35 micron). All those numbers are the latest version of the venerable 2P-4005. Our choice was generally the 275-2604 on mobile equipment.

Around where I used to live, about 30 years ago the local JD ag dealer decided to cut back on parts inventory and started to charge ‘freight’ on daily parts orders from the closest Deere distribution centre. Up until then, they did not add the freight cost to a daily order. You could save the extra freight cost if they added your order to their weekly stock order but if you needed the part asap then you paid the extra cost. Within a couple years, all the other ag dealers in town were doing it too sometimes the extra freight cost was not proportional to the size of the part and was split among the other daily order freight cost

Truck Shop said:

There are so many contributing factors to this going back years, this wasn't just caused in the last two and
a half years. The public has been lulled/sold into thinking they need these innovations with the sales pitch
{It's a improvement that will help change your life for the better}. The only lives changed for the better
are the bean counters and CEO's of corporations.

I know this is low hanging fruit-But does anyone really need power door locks, power windows, climate control,
power mirrors, rear camera for backing up, heated seats, heated steering wheel, video capabilities, surround
sound, all wheel drive {most front wheel drive cars do very well}, 350 plus hp and up, auto transmissions with
more than 5 speeds, cars that park themselves, a tail gate that folds into a step-work bench and missal launching
pad.
All of that crap listed above creates a over designed wiring, fuse, relay and control module nightmare. The only
ones really benefiting from it is the manufactures. But this stuff was created with little to no support in the
long term. There is absolutely no reason to manufacture a truck with air disc brakes except to create massive
parts sales, but with just in time delivery dealers in many cases got use to running low inventories {the standard
reply became-be here tomorrow by 10:00 am}.

Years back every little parts house across America had on the shelf at all times {piston/ring sets, camshafts/lifters, complete gasket sets} with the advent of the $55,000 dollar throw away car that disappeared. Along with many
people capable of doing their own work.

There is nothing wrong with electronic fuel injection or common rail for diesels. But when manufactures design
bogus features like Detroit and one example is the computer controlled water pump with a magnetic clutch to
reduce parasitic power loss {bogus-has made zero change in fuel mileage} then cannot supply the futuristic
piece of crap for the last 4 years {constantly on back order} and charge a $1,100 for it--It's time for the
consumer to tell manufactures--{I'm mad as Hell and I'm not going to Buy it anymore}.

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You sir have won the internet, couldn’t be said anymore true. I was just curious if this has happened in the past or we really are going down a hole that we never been down?
The sudden stop of allowing people to legally own petrol vehicles in states is going to exasperate the situation worse. I understand the whole climate thing they are pushing for, out of sight out of mind by pushing for electrification, but damn it’s more wasteful to ditch a perfectly good running bare bones vehicle to scrounge up resources for all that you listed for a new car.
I can’t do new vehicles, my airways close up with whatever they use to make them and same with used vehicles that are under 15 yrs old. Wife inherited her moms car it’s 07’, I can’t ride in it especially on warm days or if it gets warm in it. So just think what these new and close to new vehicles are doing to your health in that regards.

Truck Shop said:

I know this is low hanging fruit-But does anyone really need power door locks, power windows, climate control, power mirrors, rear camera for backing up, heated seats, heated steering wheel, video capabilities, surround sound, all wheel drive {most front wheel drive cars do very well}, 350 plus hp and up, auto transmissions with more than 5 speeds, cars that park themselves, a tail gate that folds into a step-work bench and missal launching pad.
All of that crap listed above creates a over designed wiring, fuse, relay and control module nightmare.

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I could not agree more! I would love to be able to buy say a new 1980 Ford F100/150 short bed with a 300 in-line six and a three speed automatic. Rubber floor mats and nice quality cloth seats. AC would be nice but not critical.

Wife has a I think two year old Nissan Rouge and I don't think she really knows how most things work or if she really uses half of the do-dads. I've only drove it a couple times and there are so many buttons on the steering wheel I'm almost afraid to touch them.

LOL I'll keep all the comforts of the modern pickup truck. Not pining nostalgic on a vinyl bench seat, 4 speed manual, AM radio and no A/C. Spent enough time riding and driving in those trucks.

CM1995 said:

LOL I'll keep all the comforts of the modern pickup truck. Not pining nostalgic on a vinyl bench seat, 4 speed manual, AM radio and no A/C. Spent enough time riding and driving in those trucks.

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I agree-but they leave no options. I have a 2006 Ford Ranger 4x4 auto. No extra power equipment.
It's comfortable, quiet, drives nice. bought it for $6,000 cash with 55,000 on it-zero problems. It has
125,000 on it now still runs the same as when I bought it. After 2006 model year Ford changed to
standardized electronic gadgets, 2007 to the last year 2011 were problematic.

The logistics problem stems from just in time manufacturing one truck delivery could supply a weeks worth of parts in the stock order and carry days now it takes airplanes and 5 truck delivery the other end of it is everyone is over buying right now cause no one knows if you can get it myself included

Now everyone is putting an inventory buffer in there operation for consumables I know a lot of plumbers last year bought pipe before the next increase and sat on it to use as needed one bought almost a years worth of PVC pipe if only a small percentage of companies do this there are huge ramifications and it's not a small percentage of companies

The other thing that really burns the parts situation is year over year updates so some parts were on used for 6 months of production and those tend to be problem parts

I am young so the closest mess I can remember to this is internationals max force debacle and the lesser talked about cat truck both those are a prime example of things manufacturers paid dearly for in reputation

I bought a new F350 last April replacing my 2011 F350, both gas engines. This new truck has automatic everything and Ford has attempted to make it idiot proof with all the computer control. A Ford tech told me there are between 20 and 30 processors on it depending on the options. I got the XLT, a little nicer than base model but not full blown fancy. I've been having a hard time adjusting to it with all the computer control and really wish I could have bought a new 2011.

I always put additional equipment and lighting on my trucks to make my work easier and this one has been very difficult. I haven't been able to locate an ignition switched power source for my snowplow without triggering tilt alarms in the electronics. Until I talk with someone who knows I've had to rig up a plug on the battery and pop the hood and plug it in every time I want to run the plow, then remember to unplug it when I'm finished to avoid killing the battery.

I like some of the conveniences but I could do without my truck trying to override my driving inputs. It's only going to get worse

Built in money makers designs that create huge profits for manufactures like Freightliner.

2019 and up Cascadia--Fog lamps $201.33 fill full of water mainly left side, I've replaced 18 last three months.
2019 and up Cascadia--Headlights $778,27 top brow marker burns out non replaceable have to replace complete
unit. Replaced 13 in last 4 months.
2019 and up Cascadia--Electronic water pump, only runs full tilt on hills. $1,100 Replaced 5 in last 4 months.
2020 and up Cascadia--Lane change avoidance camera mounted at top of windshield/takes special windshield
with pre mounted camera bracket. $750.00 replaced 8 in last three months. Standard glass $350.00.

That's just four items out of many. The left side fog light-I bought the last available in three states, one left.
Headlights I keep four in stock because of shortages. The water pump I keep two in stock because of shortages.
The glass-sometimes the trucks have to run with cracked windshields because none is in stock oem or aftermarket.

Now does the Cascadia need all these standardized features----No. It's a major profit zone to double the
money made off the original sale. Problem-it was bought hook line and sinker as a benefit to driver comfort
and better fuel mileage, the same sales pitch for the last 100 years. The companies who bought this crap
are squealing like a pig. But they have no one to blame but their own bad business decisions.

Now all those items I listed above are passed on to the grocery store. In the end you get to help pay for it.
Freight rates right now with the price of fuel and parts/repair overhead-West to East 43,000lb net load of
processed french fry's--$14 to $16,000 bucks. So when you go to the store, just remember the truck that
delivered the load has X amount of worthless garbage designed into it that is causing/adding to inflation
all because of greed and designs that eat profits in this business. Someone is going to pay and it's you.

If you listen to the greenies, they tell everyone just how great the just in time "lean" delivery system is working. They are quick to point out that there are now few obsolete manufactured parts getting tossed out. They can't see beyond their nose to see all the prematurely junked vehicles and machinery setting around for lack of repair parts. It's going to get worse before it gets better. No doubt about that.

old-iron-habit said:

If you listen to the greenies, they tell everyone just how great the just in time "lean" delivery system is working. They are quick to point out that there are now few obsolete manufactured parts getting tossed out. They can't see beyond their nose to see all the prematurely junked vehicles and machinery setting around for lack of repair parts. It's going to get worse before it gets better. No doubt about that.

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To make you happy old-iron-habit I know a wheat farmer that still stands by his D6's-won't own a rubber
band machine.

Steve Frazier said:

I always put additional equipment and lighting on my trucks to make my work easier and this one has been very difficult. I haven't been able to locate an ignition switched power source for my snowplow without triggering tilt alarms in the electronics. Until I talk with someone who knows I've had to rig up a plug on the battery and pop the hood and plug it in every time I want to run the plow, then remember to unplug it when I'm finished to avoid killing the battery.

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Ford used to be able to get you an upfitter guide that might have an ign. source. But failing that, there is a device called a Charge Guard that we have been using since the early teens, when Dodges would fail to start if you had tapped a tiny relay off the ignition fuse. The Charge Guard senses if the battery is 14 volts and turns on its output since it knows the engine is running. And shuts itself down with a programmable delay when the batt voltage gets to resting level since it knows the engine is off. Another plus is if the alternator breaks en route the accessories will shut down to save battery so you can get home before dead.

Junkyard said:

1R1808 Cat oil filters etc have a delay.

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How many do you want? I can send you however many LF691A you want, and I'll pay the freight.

$20 per filter.

That's $15 cheaper than that Cat one with 48 cans worth of aluminum in it.

And before ANYONE has $HIT to say about a Fleetguard LF691A not being as good as a CATERPILLAR 1R-1808, I have a 3196 that has had a 691A for 5000 hours, and all oil samples are as good today as they were the first time I tested it.

Power windows door locks have been in vehicles nearly what 30 years? The systems should be so bulletproof it's not even funny the problem is they keep changing little stupid parts, and it would make everyone's lives easier if they would keep many of the components the same but that wouldn't make them as much money. I don't want any of the driver assistance garbage but the comforts are nice. Buying my moms Ram 3500 Limited with every single option and in some ways i've missed things like heated seats, nav, backup camera, etc. Needed no? But it's kind of nice. Been driving a 09 ram and 2011 ram the last 2 years and while they are fine, other stuff sure doesn't hurt to have.

Shimmy1 said:

How many do you want? I can send you however many LF691A you want, and I'll pay the freight.

$20 per filter.

That's $15 cheaper than that Cat one with 48 cans worth of aluminum in it.

And before ANYONE has $HIT to say about a Fleetguard LF691A not being as good as a CATERPILLAR 1R-1808, I have a 3196 that has had a 691A for 5000 hours, and all oil samples are as good today as they were the first time I tested it.

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Run all Fleetguard, never had an issue. Although some seem to think running Fleetguard on a Cat motor will blow it up

suladas said:

Run all Fleetguard, never had an issue. Although some seem to think running Fleetguard on a Cat motor will blow it up

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