Right to Repair

mg2361 said:

Here is the executive order. The order for right to repair is in the Agriculture section. Below is the text from it:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...romoting-competition-in-the-american-economy/

Corporate consolidation even affects farmers’ ability to repair their own equipment or to use independent repair shops. Powerful equipment manufacturers—such as tractor manufacturers—use proprietary repair tools, software, and diagnostics to prevent third-parties from performing repairs. For example, when certain tractors detect a failure, they cease to operate until a dealer unlocks them.That forcers farmers to pay dealer rates for repairs that they could have made themselves, or that an independent repair shop could have done more cheaply.

In the Order, the President:

• Encourages the FTC to limit powerful equipment manufacturers from restricting people’s ability to use independent repair shops or do DIY repairs—such as when tractor companies block farmers from repairing their own tractors.

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conveniently sidestepping that much of the “locking” (and derating) is done to comply with government regulations for emissions equipment.

Wow, the news media actually somewhat got that one right then, I for one am shocked to say the least, but in the end it still means nothing because deere can't provide any of the stuff to the consumers anyhow, claiming its not their fault, but that of their suppliers, who can't get deere the laptops in the first place, wonder if any of their own technicians needed those laptops if somehow they could get them??

To simplify diagnostics -Laws like the Magnuson Moss act should have been put in place
to cover this issue years ago. Because of {tie in sales} it prompted the MM act. OBDII
just didn't go far enough to protect the consumer.

Carrier incorporated codes in the alarm lists on their refrigerated units years back. I
realize it's small potato's compared to Deere but it gives the mechanic a fighting
chance.

I read the link above and will note that it is more or less just a written speech that promotes or encourages other federal departments to do certain things. There is nothing in that report that establishes new law or requires any official to do anything that they are not already doing.

Here is the federal register. I've read through all of 2022 and most of 2021 and see no references to the right to repair mentioned in the link above.

https://www.federalregister.gov/presidential-documents/executive-orders

Magnuson Moss was made law in 1975 before anyone had any idea of what would exist in the future. The law was about written warranties and what they can and can't do. A great explanation of the act is in the this link.

http://www.kleenoilusa.com/pdf/warranty/Manguson-Moss Warranty Act.pdf

I was going to post that link John but brain farted. My point about the MM law was the {tie in sales}.
It runs along the same lines as Deere and right to repair.

Executive orders are just that, an order, not a law per say, what the media is doing is showing how the president is handing the problem and shows how he's getting something done to solve problems, but in the end, if he doesn't follow through and get it passed into law through congress, its a short term propaganda stunt to show authority and power only to be vetoed by the next president of the United States and changed to whatever they deem they want for their propaganda stunts is about the jest of it all.

So yes the media got it right, deere knows the law and its rights, used the media to show compliance with the order, passed the buck on not being able to sell the diagnostic equipment and in the end..........nothing has changed till the courts get done with the case and they make a determination and force legal action one way or another and depending on how it goes will also determine the time frame something will be done by or can bring fourth damages and money owned to whom. As they say, time will tell.

Where do you get that Deere or anyone else has said or done anything? You haven’t even shown a link to the order. Put up a fact and I will chase it down. Hearsay isn’t admissible anywhere but social media.

John C. said:

Randy88 sent me a link to the news station and I used a search function provided by that web site to find this link to the report he likely heard.

https://www.kwwl.com/news/john-deer...cle_888a4eee-abc5-11ec-bbb6-8b6f93cb3d1f.html

That date on the report is March 24 but the executive order referred to in the report is sometime in July but gives no year and doesn't say that it specifically mentioned John Deere. The report in the link is about Deere planning to provide more software allowing customers to do more with their own machines. I'll look for the executive order later today and see what it says.

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The executive order referenced in the report is at the link below. It basically only establishes a commission and report time line for inputs to the commission concerning competition in the US. You have to read far down the page to find a mention of farmers being able to repair their own machines.

https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...promoting-competition-in-the-american-economy

The biggest issue in the order though is in looking into the prevalence of seed companies and their ability to control input costs to farmers. The main thrust of the order is the aggregation of companies by larger ones in order to dominate and control input prices to farmers and raising the costs of food production to all. The issue of right to repair is a small paragraph way down in the report that can be easily missed.

Well- I guess remote shut down of Deere equipment does have a upside. The russians/ chechins made off with 5million of equipment from a dealership, and found that they wouldn't run when they shipped them 700 miles away to chechnya.

https://www.newsweek.com/video-russ...ricultural-equipment-kadyrov-chechnya-1702576

I'll bet they can get them running again, with some help from their hackers. Everything mechanical can be made to run if you put your own ECU on it, worst case scenario.

You need to start thinking the way most are thinking, doubt anyone wants those machines to use, but more like, a great source of parts that deere can't provide to anyone now...............so go source those parts where you can.........just so happens those parts are free and on a new machine that is just sitting there waiting to be taken and disassembled, not sure many will care if it runs or not, but I bet the transmission gears, cab parts, engine components, axles, hydraulic pumps and valving all work fine when they are put on another tractor, as for farm equipment, same goes there, disk openers, seed disks, vacuum pumps and shanks, shovels or frame parts along with cylinders and whatever else are all used to get many other machines back up and running and the best part is, all the parts are free, doubt even deere is willing to provide free parts to anyone half way around the world. right now they can't even provide them locally less than 100 miles from the manufacturing plants for any price.