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How do we fix the mechanic shortage in America?

Don.S

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I went to school at 24 years old for heavy equipment tech. I had a passion for working on trucks and equipment on my own time and figured why not do it for a living. When i finished school and started looking for a job it was absolute insult. I made $19 a hour doing interlocking stone work before school and after spending 15k at school companys were offering me $14 a hour. Forget about that thank you very much so i went back to stone work at $20 and then a got into a excavator. Now a few years later i make $32 a hour with good benefits as a apprentice operator and didnt even go to school for it. After a few thousand hours i well be at about $40 a hour and I dont even have to supply my own grease gun or hand shovel. Thats why there is a shortage of mechanics.
 

suladas

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I don't know why the route to being a mechanic would be going to school right off the bat, it makes way more sense to get someone in a shop and just learn the trade, even if starting pay is low it's better then paying to learn. I don't know of anyone whether they are a auto tech or HD tech that went to school off the bat, all of them got on as labourer and after a bit got offered an apprenticeship. A few took mechanics in high school where in the last year they get a placement somewhere and then got offered a full-time job after high school. To me any good shop starting a guy like that should tell them spend at least a year doing it to make sure you actually want to do it before investing in any tools. To spend a fortune going to school then trying to find a job seems backwards to me, let them start sweeping floors and learning hands on without any investment.
 

Don.S

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Yes John in the rest of Canada you do but here in the joke of a province quebec is we dont. Oh dont worry i had lots of time in the shop before i decided to go to school. The whole system is a joke and then companys wonder why they cant keep over worked and underpayed employees around
 

DMiller

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Have not spoken to the powers that be recently, have ya!!! The new theory is School them to a degree and then they are Promotable Material even as many cannot remember Righty Tighty Lefty Loosey.
 

mekanik

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In BC on Canada's west coast the colleges offer a Pre-Apprentice Course.
The course is 6 months long and not that expensive. Upon completion the
perspective apprentice has a basic knowledge of hand tools and a basic
understanding of the equipment they will be working on. The course counts
as the first half of their first year of apprenticing. Once they hire on as an
apprentice they start at 50 to 55% of the qualified tradesman's wage with
raises ever 6 to 12 months until completion.
 

JD955SC

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I went to school at 24 years old for heavy equipment tech. I had a passion for working on trucks and equipment on my own time and figured why not do it for a living. When i finished school and started looking for a job it was absolute insult. I made $19 a hour doing interlocking stone work before school and after spending 15k at school companys were offering me $14 a hour. Forget about that thank you very much so i went back to stone work at $20 and then a got into a excavator. Now a few years later i make $32 a hour with good benefits as a apprentice operator and didnt even go to school for it. After a few thousand hours i well be at about $40 a hour and I dont even have to supply my own grease gun or hand shovel. Thats why there is a shortage of mechanics.

Back in 2016 when I graduated they told us to expect to make $15/hr upon promotion to full time. That fortunately did not happen for my company’s graduates our liaison at the dealer fought for us and we were much better off. Other dealer’s graduates that did the program with us were not so lucky. One made $12/hr right off the bat.

then a couple years later one guy came to us from one of those dealers. He had instead of going through the degree program we did had went through a true apprentice program. Only they took advantage of him and his fellow apprentices by paying them nothing for a full year and calling it an “internship” then paying them like $10/hr for the second year. He finally had enough of that BS and moved to our territory and got a job with us.

I’m very pro business but that is abuse of labor in my book. It’s one thing to have an unpaid internship for say a graduate student still in college for six months it’s another to expect someone to do this kind of job for free…and buy tools and support themselves. We made $10/hr to start with during my program and each successful semester got you a .50 cent raise so while it was nothing world shattering at least you got paid an OK wage while you were in the shop (we didn’t get paid while we were at school). Plus our dealers supplied apartments that we paid a very reasonable $450 a semester rent on so we had a place to live while away at school.
 

Truck Shop

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I tried when I turned 60. I was retired for a month. Two days a week is not
a lot and it helps as my pensions don't start till I'm 65.

I have a friend with a wheat farm 30 miles into nowhere, no people, no cell phone signal, just rolling
hills of wheat to keep me busy x amount. No people just lots of wildlife.
 

Tyler d4c

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I have a friend with a wheat farm 30 miles into nowhere, no people, no cell phone signal, just rolling
hills of wheat to keep me busy x amount. No people just lots of wildlife.
Ask him if he wants to adopt a youngen I know a guy who would like that scenery.
 

cuttin edge

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I remember something about a wrench in Canada had to carry some sort of license as well?
Not sure about the rest of the country, but in Atlantic Canada, cars trucks busses all have to have an annual safety inspection. Trucks and busses used to be every 6 months, but they went to a year, and private vehicles went to every 2. Don't agree with every 2, some people never look at a vehicle unless it's inspected, and there is a lot of junk out there. Anyway, you need a provincial license to do inspections, and it has to be T&T for heavy trucks. Other than that, unless a company wants a red seal, a lot of guys have no paperwork.
 

Truck Shop

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He's an X Cat dealer mechanic of twenty five years took over his folks place. He had enough Too.
 

ahart

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That wife of mine is a high school teacher and we discuss this situation at length often. She says that the kids today think they should be able to have every thing they want (what everyone else they see has) working only 40 hrs a week. When I was coming up in this business they all told me you can either have time or money but you can’t have both. I really think that’s the hardest thing for the new generation to grasp. You should spend your 20s working all the time for next to nothing but experience, your 30s making a way for yourself in your particular field, and by your 40s you should be well on your way to making it so you can start pulling back on the hours so you don’t have to work 70+ in your 50s and 60s. And if you work hard and earn it, there’s no reason you can’t do it that way.
 

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Except at our rate of inflation-they will be working when 70. The price of cars, pickups, houses and food.
And all that depends if their health holds out. Because any medical issues will wipe them out. Not to mention
the price of raising children.

This ain't 1970 anymore.
 

Don.S

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Truck shop if i could like that twice i would. You have no idea gow refreshing it is to hear some one over the age of 50 say that. I am 31 have a house a kid and a crappy old 22 year old pick up. I work minimum 50 hours a week and cant afford any extras and i make over the average Canadian house hold income. For people working minimum wage or even anything close to it what is the point of going to work every day when every day no mater how hard you work you go deeper into debt.
 

JD955SC

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You should spend your 20s working all the time for next to nothing but experience
Why should I do skilled labor for peanuts just for “experience”?

I’m not saying I should have been payed top
scale of course, or anywhere near it but when I was new in the field I faced the same risks and same needs (having to buy tools) as experienced mechanics, and worked my body just as hard (because we all know the new guy gets the most of the bull work). I worked hard at my job and my school to get to where I am today. I have two apprentices that are hard, eager workers who will go far in this business. Both of their fathers are heavy equipment mechanics and I think both of their grandfathers are as well. When they graduate and go full time why should they be expected to exchange a prime decade of their life for peanuts? When they graduate I’m going to push for them to be paid not the same as I was upon graduation but more because they have demonstrated they deserve every penny and more. These two young men will be a backbone of our shop ten years down the road.
 

suladas

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That wife of mine is a high school teacher and we discuss this situation at length often. She says that the kids today think they should be able to have every thing they want (what everyone else they see has) working only 40 hrs a week. When I was coming up in this business they all told me you can either have time or money but you can’t have both. I really think that’s the hardest thing for the new generation to grasp. You should spend your 20s working all the time for next to nothing but experience, your 30s making a way for yourself in your particular field, and by your 40s you should be well on your way to making it so you can start pulling back on the hours so you don’t have to work 70+ in your 50s and 60s. And if you work hard and earn it, there’s no reason you can’t do it that way.

That sounds brutal to be honest. I think a big part of the problem is people just spend too much. It is harder now for sure, but when people say things like houses have skyrocketed (they have) but it's also because they are getting way bigger and fancier and you just don't need it, same thing with vehicles and it's part of the reason they got so pricey. At 25 I built a $1.4m house had nearly million dollar mortgage, it's not all it's cracked up to be, i'm now selling it. I'm happy with a more modest one and banking the saved money to make me even more money.

I think the biggest difference now if you can't just work 40, 50 or even 60 hours for someone else and not do anything else and get anywhere, unless it's the rare job where you make really really good money. You need to run your own company, invest, own rental properties something on the side to make more money, that you didn't need to do before. I own 3 rental properties and it's a nice amount of extra income.

I worked my ass off in my 20's and at 32 I am extremely comfortable, at the rate i'm going by 40 I could retire if I was single without kids still, if I wanted to. The biggest thing many people don't get is how much easier it gets once you got some money/assets, having money makes you money, but you got to start saving to get there. Looking at most people my age it's crazy how many are still renting living paycheck to paycheck and have nothing, I don't get it. I didn't spend my 20's partying and blowing money though, I was working 80-90 sometimes 100 hour weeks to get ahead. I'm already at the point I won't do it anymore, now if I average 40 hours for the year that's more then enough, took 6 weeks off this winter, it's just so nice to have a break. I saw the money problems growing up, it's a big reason why my parents divorced and it was constantly an issue, so it was huge for me to never be in that position and be comfortable.

I know someone mid 20's wife doesn't work they have 2 kids, he makes $100k a year they rent and live paycheck to paycheck. Money isn't the problem, it's spending, financing 2 new vehicles it's just stupid. If people making $100k then next year they make $120k they just increase their life a bit and don't end up any better off, instead of saving that money.

I can't imagine working 70 hours a week in my 40's and 50's though, if anyone has to to get by, they messed up somewhere.
 

suladas

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Why should I do skilled labor for peanuts just for “experience”?

I’m not saying I should have been payed top
scale of course, or anywhere near it but when I was new in the field I faced the same risks and same needs (having to buy tools) as experienced mechanics, and worked my body just as hard (because we all know the new guy gets the most of the bull work). I worked hard at my job and my school to get to where I am today. I have two apprentices that are hard, eager workers who will go far in this business. Both of their fathers are heavy equipment mechanics and I think both of their grandfathers are as well. When they graduate and go full time why should they be expected to exchange a prime decade of their life for peanuts? When they graduate I’m going to push for them to be paid not the same as I was upon graduation but more because they have demonstrated they deserve every penny and more. These two young men will be a backbone of our shop ten years down the road.

Totally agree, know a few who before 30 are making 6 figures as they should be.
 
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