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Looking for an international HX dump

suladas

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Yea I will never understand why anyone wants a bunch of dump trucks, $170-180k new before prices went stupid for light spec to make $85/hr. Right now fuel is going to cost $35/hr alone. Any half decent driver $25/hr. Not much left to pay for the truck or try to make money. Add in that if the truck is getting paid for 8 hours a day, you're paying the driver 9 maybe even 9.5 hours. Not the business I want to be in.

Even if you need the truck for support equipment, if you spend $200k and finance it, you're competing against guys with paid for trucks worth $50k or less most likely, their overhead is a lot less.

For me ALL my equipment is worth about $250k and paid for, no employees, my overhead is insurance and small shop/yard space I can undercut anyone if I wanted to. I don't use it for that, mostly I use it to pass on jobs that don't pay well, even if not much work around I pick and choose what jobs I take because it doesn't need to work much to pay the bills, i'd rather sit at home for a week then take a job that doesn't pay much. If you have a $200k truck to pay for, you likely don't have that option, you have to keep it busy.
 

4seasons

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Yea I will never understand why anyone wants a bunch of dump trucks, $170-180k new before prices went stupid for light spec to make $85/hr. Right now fuel is going to cost $35/hr alone. Any half decent driver $25/hr. Not much left to pay for the truck or try to make money. Add in that if the truck is getting paid for 8 hours a day, you're paying the driver 9 maybe even 9.5 hours. Not the business I want to be in.

Even if you need the truck for support equipment, if you spend $200k and finance it, you're competing against guys with paid for trucks worth $50k or less most likely, their overhead is a lot less.

For me ALL my equipment is worth about $250k and paid for, no employees, my overhead is insurance and small shop/yard space I can undercut anyone if I wanted to. I don't use it for that, mostly I use it to pass on jobs that don't pay well, even if not much work around I pick and choose what jobs I take because it doesn't need to work much to pay the bills, i'd rather sit at home for a week then take a job that doesn't pay much. If you have a $200k truck to pay for, you likely don't have that option, you have to keep it busy.


Our approaches are both very similar. If you need a truck right now, there is no good solution. Those 50k trucks can only be viable for so long. I literally know of one pre emissions truck under 500k miles. It has 200k and is priced at $99k. It’s actually a tandem. An F-550 is 80k plus now.
 

suladas

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Our approaches are both very similar. If you need a truck right now, there is no good solution. Those 50k trucks can only be viable for so long. I literally know of one pre emissions truck under 500k miles. It has 200k and is priced at $99k. It’s actually a tandem. An F-550 is 80k plus now.

That's an insane price. What do you need dump truck for? Hauling equipment and the odd use as a dump truck? Or is it because you don't do many loads in a day and truck sitting a lot so too pricey to hire by the hour?

If you spend $200k once truck prices come down to reality let's say in 2 years that truck might be worth $120k. Add in insurance, repairs, maintenance, that truck could cost you $60k a year plus fuel and driver for 10k miles a year, that's an expensive truck. I see it one of two ways, buy the $200k truck and work it much more then that so it's making more money to offset that hit, or go a different way that will work for you.
 

dieseldog5.9

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That is the reason I got rid of my dump truck. I had an older tractor and dump trailer that I wanted to run 2 or 3 days/week, hauling brush and demolition concrete for my son-in-law and myself. After the first year, insurance went so high that I could not work it part time and make any money at all. That did not even include fuel, tires, and repairs. I quickly sold the rig and gave up on making any part time money in the dump truck business.

If you want to make a million dollars trucking start with 2 million.
 

dieseldog5.9

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Having spun wrenches for a company with multiple Internationals, the last truck I would buy would be an International, and never with a big bore engine, this engine was the problem with the Caterpillar branded trucks.

Sounds like you have some money to work with, I got lost in the truck paper listing above, and came up with my pick for the perfect truck.

https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/211798049/2012-peterbilt-389k
 

Old Doug

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Not a dump truck but my single axle semi i paid around $1000.00 for plates, permits and insurance. I didnt put 400 miles on it last year. I am realy thinking about the future of this truck.
 
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