petepilot
Senior Member
can see that now
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Dump Truck Advice
- Thread starter DeweyDiablo
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There is no air brake endorsement on a CDL just an air brake restriction which means you can have a CDL and not drive air brakes.
As the under 26,000 Lbs. doesn't require a CDL and there is no air brake test for a regular drivers license we be good to go.
Bob
Man you guys have screwy laws down there. Up here air ticket is separate, must have to run a truck with air brakes, very cut and dry. Must have class 1 to pull trailer on air, cut and dry. Though it's stupid you could have a single axle truck and trailer only be at 30,000lbs and need a class 1, but you could run 140,000lbs on a class 3 with electric brakes on trailer as there's no weight limit.
heymccall
Senior Member
Been through 26 DOT check points. Been written up on med card, logbook, extinguisher, lights, had my tanks dipped, questioned about the 3 oil tanks in the bed, but never on air brake with my PA class C license. Mine is a 26k gvw Pete 337 with air brake. Last time across the scales was 25,940#.
63 caveman
Senior Member
Just for fun I will add. I have a PA class B license with L restriction. I also have PA inspection license for class A, B, C, and M. When I moved to PA I dropped my A operators license because of cost (over 20 years ago think it was something like $600) and didn't think I would use it. Well ended up working in a truck garage for a few years and got my inspection license but never bothered to update my operators license. Bin that way for over ten years, I will not say anything if you don't!
JPSouth
Well-Known Member
Here, you can't run air brakes without a CDL, no matter the GVW. Know more than one person who had to park their rig and write a big check for arguing the FMCSA book.
JPSouth
Well-Known Member
Dunno, but I wouldn't touch air brakes without my endorsement - the DOT is tough here in this valley as it's a booming place and there's major $$ to be made for the state's coffers. As I believe the feds are on the way to requiring blanket CDLs for anything 10K and over, no point in procrastinating, get the CDL with endorsements and be over it. Several years ago, they started stopping rodeo people with big trailers, picking on the landscapers with bigger 1T, 2T and 3.5T rigs. They don't seem to bother the utility companies, some of whom, unbelievably, can be seen towing 9T hoes around with a bumper pull trailer on a 3/4T pickup. Physics class in action.
heymccall
Senior Member
So, for clarity, in Pennsylvania, there is no longer an "air brake endorsement", only air brake restrictions, on driver licensing.
The one thing people forget is that you need to be air brake "trained" in order to adjust an out of range brake in front of a DOT officer.
The one thing people forget is that you need to be air brake "trained" in order to adjust an out of range brake in front of a DOT officer.
There are no air brake endorsements on a CDL .
The point behind a CDL is state to state uniform regulation.
So, you are saying out of state CDL are not valid in Montana?
Look under who needs a CDL and you will find trucks under 26,000 Lbs. do not need one.
Bob
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63 caveman
Senior Member
The way I read that you can operate a vehicle under 26k with a class c (non CDL) with air brakes unless you have a CDL with a L restriction! Makes good sense to me.
The Peej
Senior Member
The thing that amazes is that there is no skills test for doubles/triples and tanker. I don't have either endorsement on my CDL class A but feel I could study and pass the test. I have no experience in either and would not feel safe doing so but I'd be legal.
Truck Shop
Senior Member
Thank you Bluox----------Has any one on here ever seen electric brakes on a set of
wiggle wagons? No of coarse not If you have a Class A it is automatic on air brake.
And yes you have to have a {Brake Inspector Card} in you wallet to perform any
brake adjustments or any type of maintenance.
If you are interstate trucking you fall under Federal guidelines. Been that way since ICC.
wiggle wagons? No of coarse not If you have a Class A it is automatic on air brake.
And yes you have to have a {Brake Inspector Card} in you wallet to perform any
brake adjustments or any type of maintenance.
If you are interstate trucking you fall under Federal guidelines. Been that way since ICC.
JPSouth
Well-Known Member
It's perfectly valid, any state is. They're on board with the restriction system, which tells the DOT officer what configuration(s) you're able to drive, as well as interstate/intrastate, etc. But..if you're driving a rig that has a GCVW of over 26K, but a single-vehicle GVW under 26K, there's a gray area there that will depend on how good a day he's having. If he decides to look you over using the GCVW rule, even if you're not towing a 10K +/- trailer GVW, make sure you know your state and FMCSA rules by the letter. And let me know how it goes ...
Truck Shop
Senior Member
in other words depending on the {state} and the vehicle rating and flying under the wire
plus the fact you {Might-just possibly run into a DOT officer that has his underwear on backwards means you should have all documents proving your a half a$$ astronaut in total
control of your spaceship}.
plus the fact you {Might-just possibly run into a DOT officer that has his underwear on backwards means you should have all documents proving your a half a$$ astronaut in total
control of your spaceship}.
Don't need that setup for that, and there is plenty of guys around here not far off from 140,000lbs on class 3 setups. Tri-drive tandem steer pickers with triple axle 15,000lbs trailers, truck is good for over 80,000lbs alone. Concrete companies are a huge one, going away from tandem tractors and tridem trailers to tri-drive tandem steer, going from 102,000lbs to 82,500lbs where one needs over 100 hours schooling, the other needs an hour road test to drive. My point is, an air brake trailer being the difference in needing 100+ hours of schooling or not is dumb, it should be based on weight.
Well here's some crazy Canadian laws for ya.
Touche
Still take it over the way it is down there. At least there is no grey or beige areas.
Not much grey just people who can't read or comprehend what they read.Touche
Still take it over the way it is down there. At least there is no grey or beige areas.
Bob
dieseldog5.9
Senior Member
Reading the spec, and the spec making any sense in practicality are 2 different issues. Welcome to a loop hole.
So as it is written my girlfriend with an operators license can drive a 25k truck with air brakes, however if I take the CDL B test and don't pass the air brake section I cannot. Makes perfect sense.
So as it is written my girlfriend with an operators license can drive a 25k truck with air brakes, however if I take the CDL B test and don't pass the air brake section I cannot. Makes perfect sense.