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Overload of the Day

suladas

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I think alot of these people when they are looking at trailer GVW forget to take out the trailer weight, when I was looking at gooseneck trailers after you take out the weight of the trailer the carrying capacity really suffers.

And if you are going to do this correctly, the gross combined weight rating of the truck needs to be factored in which if I remember for a new 3500 Ram is 30,000, It was 26k in 2012. However that 30k has to have the weight of the trailer and I believe the truck removed from it.

I couldnt come up with a scenario with my 3500 and gooseneck that would haul and E70B at 17k.

You easily could with any 3500 haul something that weights 17k. Most new 3500's are nearing 40k gross combined. Take out truck weight and left with about 30,000lbs towing depending on the specs. All trailer makers do it differently, many will plate a gooseneck with 2 10k axles at 25k, many do 20k. The thing to consider with many of these weights is a SRW 3500 with a rear end ratio with like 3.42 compared to a DRW 3500 with 4:10 other then 2 extra tires on the ground, the only difference is rear end ratio and heavier transmission. There is no added stopping or handling, aside from DRW but brakes are exactly the same. I had my 13 ram 3500 SRW gross combined hitting 35k sometimes, other then needing a much lower 1st gear, it's not bad at all.

I've been back and forth on the idea of buying a 30k gooseneck to haul my mini ex and ctl together behind my 5500, I would be over 40k but it's not hard on the truck at all.
 

skyking1

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Those of us who drive air brake trucks see things a little differently. I've had electric brake controller problems, broken wires to one of the wheels, loose connections, mystery ground problems. I drive electric brakes too, but the difference is huge;
99 times out of 100 an air brake setup will not move at all if it has a problem.
A 40K electric brake combo will always get going for you, but may not be so interested in stopping and now the tractor alone is braking, and is outweighed 3 to 1. When everything is new and fresh there are usually no issues, but put a few years on things and it is not so sure.
 

dieseldog5.9

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2012 Ram 3500 GCVWR 30,000- 8k truck weight= 22k, minus trailer weight of 5,800 lbs (big tex 22gn) = 16,200. (Best Case Scenario) for 2012

My Truck is a 4wd Manual Transmission which kills the GCVWR. Most people dont know about GCVWR, forget looking for them and that they are different for different trucks, it has dual wheels it can carry anything that hooks to the bumper.

Now maybe it comes from being a Truck and Equipment Mechanic for 25 years, but this doesnt add up to me, yes it can pull it, but coming from trucks I agree with the electric brake comment earlier.

My math: Tandem Western Star, 20ton tag, Class A CDL. All bases covered.

2012 ram.PNG
 

skyking1

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dang LOL we were there too on that trip.
Most memorable leg of the whole thing IMO. We popped up out of Haines and flew right over the Range to the west, through the glaciered valleys and then down to Yakutat. It was beautiful late summer weather.
Descending into Yakutat was a challenge, a layer of scattered to broken eagles at 2500 AGL. I got some dirty looks from the dirty birds as we picked our way down to pattern altitude.
 

skyking1

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Back then YAK had a staffed FAA Flight Service Station in the old tower. The ladies that worked there were so nice, they had a big bowl of peanut M&Ms on the counter for us transient pilots to snack on. They talked about the bears and gave is a weather briefing for the short flight to Merrill Field, Anchorage.
They ran to Anchorage to Costco to get groceries and M&M's :D
 
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