Earthmoving Job, Deere Pull pans?

[snowexcavation]

I’m a young kid own a small earthmoving business, got a small subdivision and need to strip 8000 yards of topsoil. Ran Four scenarios; Truck and hoe, Cat and can, paddle wheel and blade and Deere 9570 with pull pan. Cheapest cost based on my calcs was the Deere pull pan. I’m looking for some more hardened facts and actual knowledge from guys that have ran them. Here’s some more background, the job is a u shaped job with the right side and left side of the U approximately 800’ long. The bottom portion is about 750’ There will be 2 4000 yard stockpiles running 600’ along the inner portion of the left and right side of the U, so my haul distance is very short. There is one offshoot road on the left side of the U that will be about a 700’ cut and 900’ haul to the pile. Material is topsoil with lots of clay content, I think a frost bit might be a good match. Ive got an idea of my production and fuel burn but would love to hear some facts from what you guys have achieved with pull pans. In theory the tractor should be able to get a 17 yard load as the scraper has a heaped capacity of 20 yards. I’m trying to be conservative but I’m sure one of you guys knows more. My father ran a JD 8300 with a Miskin 17 yard with a ripper for years. I’ve got a bit of an idea but a 9570 R is a whole different ballgame of a tractor than a 8300. I’ve never attempted a dirt job this big mostly do small grading projects for concrete prep and sidewalk prep, I’m 18 and have ran a 623 but found it pretty useless unless I had a blade windowing for me. When I had a D6T shoving on the back in the 23 the poor paddle motor couldn’t keep up. Facts, Advice, wisdom, and criticism welcome.

Thanks in Advance

Bridger

 

[AzIron]

23 s and a dozer are never a great combination that's a finish scraper compared to mass grade

Around here we only use pans on small jobs in select material other wise it's all push pulls most guys are running 37s or 31s with a 9 pushing so the first question is what equipment can you come up with the easiest that may be what makes your decision

Never used an r series but JD 4 wheel tractors in my experience doing work with a laser box was consistently between 17 and 20 gallons an hour that was by no means run at the peak all day but it was working pretty steady

Hope that helps

 

[snowexcavation]

23 s and a dozer are never a great combination that's a finish scraper compared to mass grade

Around here we only use pans on small jobs in select material other wise it's all push pulls most guys are running 37s or 31s with a 9 pushing so the first question is what equipment can you come up with the easiest that may be what makes your decision

Never used an r series but JD 4 wheel tractors in my experience doing work with a laser box was consistently between 17 and 20 gallons an hour that was by no means run at the peak all day but it was working pretty steady

Hope that helps

AzIron, the only scraper in the state available at this time is a lone 621, or a wore out 623 that is down for a bit. 27s 37s or a 31 is out of the question not to mention if one was available the rental rates are sky high because of obvious supply and demand.

 

[Shimmy1]

I've been pulling an 1810E with a Cat Challenger for over 15 years. I've had both a 75C and a 95E. Fuel consumption is a little more on the E, but still around 12-14 gph. I've also pulled an 18 yard pan quite a little with a 485 Quad, fuel burn is considerably more, around 18-20 gph. I'm going to venture a guess that you will be using all of 25 gph, maybe more with that Deere. Without seeing the job, it sounds like the majority of your hauls are going to be around 700', which should make for decent cycle times, 5-7 minute average? 100 loads per day would be my goal. If it doesn't matter how rough it looks when you're done, then a drop-center is the way to go, will definitely speed up loading, but also can push dirt over the back.

 

[snowexcavation]

I've been pulling an 1810E with a Cat Challenger for over 15 years. I've had both a 75C and a 95E. Fuel consumption is a little more on the E, but still around 12-14 gph. I've also pulled an 18 yard pan quite a little with a 485 Quad, fuel burn is considerably more, around 18-20 gph. I'm going to venture a guess that you will be using all of 25 gph, maybe more with that Deere. Without seeing the job, it sounds like the majority of your hauls are going to be around 700', which should make for decent cycle times, 5-7 minute average? 100 loads per day would be my goal. If it doesn't matter how rough it looks when you're done, then a drop-center is the way to go, will definitely speed up loading, but also can push dirt over the back.

When I pull out of my cut I’ll have a 100’ or so to my stockpile but my pile will be upwards of 400’ long then after the stockpile I’ll have another 80’ or so to get back in the cut, my stockpiles will be running parrell to the cut, do you figure your “hauls” are to the stockpile or through the stockpile and back to the cut?

 

[Shimmy1]

When I pull out of my cut I’ll have a 100’ or so to my stockpile but my pile will be upwards of 400’ long then after the stockpile I’ll have another 80’ or so to get back in the cut, my stockpiles will be running parrell to the cut, do you figure your “hauls” are to the stockpile or through the stockpile and back to the cut?

Yes, round trip. Sounds like I'm pretty close.

 

[deerert295]

solid underfoot good 623 do a great job.Miskin 17 yard in good shape with a good mechanical front or medium belted tractor also should work well.Im curious rental rate of the new deere and 20 yard scraper I'm assuming a 2010 deere ejector

 

[deerert295]

we are taking only 8000yds close haul topsoil good 623 do it in 5 days 100 loads a day 16 bank yards migt get 125 loads

 

[deerert295]

popularity of an elevating scraper way down last 30 years but if conditions are right no finer piece of equipment for speed penetration clean up compaction fine clean up they can do it all

 

[Shimmy1]

popularity of an elevating scraper way down last 30 years but if conditions are right no finer piece of equipment for speed penetration clean up compaction fine clean up they can do it all

I'm pretty sure on a close haul like this, I would tear an elevating scraper a new behind with my two-track and scoop. But, I have spent well north of 10k hours in the seat, lol.

 

[ShaneK]

I'd recommend crunching the numbers for renting a pull-pan larger than 24 cu.yd capacity to get it done in as few days as possible. Here's a cost analysis tool that i like to play around with before getting started with a new project:
http://ktec.com/the-solution/your-cost-per-yard/cost-analysis-tool

 

[Contractor]

The cheapest means to move earth is running 3 Deere 21-24 yard pans behind a 550-620 hp tractor, but this is a very specific haul. You have to look at the following factors; capital availability, strategy, soil conditions, target clients, and your maintenance acumen. My recommendation is to rent a Deere tractor and pan set up and finish this job before you invest 700k + in new equipment. You should be able to rent that machine w 2 pans for 25k per month + tax.

 

[Shimmy1]

The cheapest means to move earth is running 3 Deere 21-24 yard pans behind a 550-620 hp tractor, but this is a very specific haul. You have to look at the following factors; capital availability, strategy, soil conditions, target clients, and your maintenance acumen. My recommendation is to rent a Deere tractor and pan set up and finish this job before you invest 700k + in new equipment. You should be able to rent that machine w 2 pans for 25k per month + tax.

No way in hell would 2 pans be productive on this little job. You're going to spend more time with the tail wagging the dog than moving dirt. Quarter-mile haul is the absolute minimum for 2 pans, IMHO.

 

[R.D.G013]

613 or 615 with a D4/5 dozer to do the awkward bits and assist where needed, 8,000 cu yds is peanuts, cost of moving bigger machines in would be more than the job is worth. Years ago in NZ we used to do much bigger jobs than that with a IH 412 scraper and a TD 15C dozer.