Cat 320b run hot since rebuild

[walkerv]

Pab05219 , things i have done , checked for combustion gas none found at this time, found foam missing around radiator and counterweight this has been reinstalled , next found radiator cap not sealing i think i have that fixxed now but could really use a new neck soldered on , radiator is clean and was rodded out after the overhual. Put in a new temp sender and checked wiring all seems ok. Waterpump and thermostat new on rebuild thermostat is working fine. I also ran over flow hose into water bottle to double verify it isnt bubbling . Any ideas? I havent tried yet, gonna have the guy run it after lunch and see what happens while i sit in ac and watch.

 

[walkerv]

Pba015219 or 51219 , things i have done , checked for combustion gas none found at this time, found foam missing around radiator and counterweight this has been reinstalled , next found radiator cap not sealing i think i have that fixxed now but could really use a new neck soldered on , radiator is clean and was rodded out after the overhual. Put in a new temp sender and checked wiring all seems ok. Waterpump and thermostat new on rebuild thermostat is working fine. I also ran over flow hose into water bottle to double verify it isnt bubbling . Any ideas? I havent tried yet, gonna have the guy run it after lunch and see what happens while i sit in ac and watch.

Oh yeah engine was rebuilt due to being just plain worn out , hard to start and excessive blowby.

 

[Nige]

PBA is wrong S/N prefix, it's for a D6N.
Are you sure you don't mean PAB..? Even if it is PAB prefix, the numbers after don't jibe whichever way I enter them. Wanna take another look at the S/N plate..?
I don't want to start digging based on a wrong S/N. Waste of my time and yours.

 

[walkerv]

PBA is wrong S/N prefix, it's for a D6N.
Are you sure you don't mean PAB..? Even if it is PAB prefix, the numbers after don't jibe whichever way I enter them. Wanna take another look at the S/N plate..?
I don't want to start digging based on a wrong S/N. Waste of my time and yours.

Yeah pab little mechanic dislexia going on today i will be back to the machine in 15 minutes i will get you correct serial shortly

 

[walkerv]

PBA is wrong S/N prefix, it's for a D6N.
Are you sure you don't mean PAB..? Even if it is PAB prefix, the numbers after don't jibe whichever way I enter them. Wanna take another look at the S/N plate..?
I don't want to start digging based on a wrong S/N. Waste of my time and yours.

Pab05219 , guy had it in the red in 20 minutes ,rad cap still isnt sealing but is holding some pressure now just not full pressure , system holds pressure with my pump on it.

 

[heymccall]

PAB is for 320C

Solid fan drive? Is fan on correct direction?
Electro viscous fan? Any codes in monitor?

 

[heymccall]

Belt routed correctly?

 

[walkerv]

PAB is for 320C

Solid fan drive? Is fan on correct direction?
Electro viscous fan? Any codes in monitor?

Solid fan drive , belt is on correctly so is the fan .the monitor and pump control is the only thing et detects. engine is mechanical ues 320c i have been working on a 330b same place im getting numbers mixxed up lol

 

[Labparamour]

Air lock?
I’ve had that with vehicles after replacing radiator hoses and thermostat.
Had to open at highest point to let air out...
(Just throwin’ that out there)

 

[GregsHD]

Have you verified the temp with a laser thermometer? Checked rad upper lower temp differential?

 

[walkerv]

Have you verified the temp with a laser thermometer? Checked rad upper lower temp differential?

T stat housing saying its around 250f , top of rad around 240 bottom tank 195 its working good as far as rad is concerned cant figure out were all the heat is coming from will cool down about 3 bars in 5 minutes when it gets hot and auto goes to idle

 

[heymccall]

Looks like regular (thermostat) can't be put in upside down, but could it be defective or the wrong part?

 

[DB2]

Timing ?

 

[walkerv]

Timing ?

I was kinda wondering about that after some reading , if it is the problem its not overly advance the thing fires rite up without so much as a hesitation. Or cam retarded a tooth at this point im sorta outta ideas that are easy, and its not that easy to do engine work on those .

 

[Birken Vogt]

I was thinking timing also or something to do with engine efficiency.

Is there any other system that can put heat into the radiator of this unit? Hydraulics, etc?

I agree it sounds like excessive heat getting into the coolant for some reason. Since everything else seems to be working as expected.

I do not think you need to go looking for air locks and such. Once the thermostat opened for the first time any remaining air got purged. And with a top temperature of 240 and bottom of 195 it sounds like it is running plenty of flow. Otherwise the bottom temperature would be lower yet.

 

[walkerv]

I was thinking timing also or something to do with engine efficiency.

Is there any other system that can put heat into the radiator of this unit? Hydraulics, etc?

I agree it sounds like excessive heat getting into the coolant for some reason. Since everything else seems to be working as expected.

I do not think you need to go looking for air locks and such. Once the thermostat opened for the first time any remaining air got purged. And with a top temperature of 240 and bottom of 195 it sounds like it is running plenty of flow. Otherwise the bottom temperature would be lower yet.

Yeah radiator was rodded and cleaned its like new other then the cap wont stay down tight, i can run it for an hour the other guy 20 minutes but he is into it non stop stacking brush and digging tiny stumps, hydrialic cooler sits next to the radiator they are not stacked. Im at a loss right now engine got put in last fall and was having these issues straight away, before engine rebuild it never ran hot talked to the guy that wore it out over the course of the last 5 years stumping and clearing boss mans farm land .

 

[John C.]

How much is the RPM dropping when a load is applied? Should probably be no more that 150 with the throttle dial at 10 and say booming down swinging and stick out at the same time. That fact that coolant temp drops so fast indicates the cooling system is working correctly. All the Cat excavator radiator caps are junk. Go get a quality one at a Napa store somewhere.

 

[GregsHD]

Is it low on power?
Any black smoke out the exhaust?
Possible restriction in the muffler?
Is the serp belt singing tight?

It sure sounds like the pump timing is advanced.

She's running hotter than I would want to see!! Yikes.

 

[walkerv]

How much is the RPM dropping when a load is applied? Should probably be no more that 150 with the throttle dial at 10 and say booming down swinging and stick out at the same time. That fact that coolant temp drops so fast indicates the cooling system is working correctly. All the Cat excavator radiator caps are junk. Go get a quality one at a Napa store somewhere.

It doesnt drop any rpm noticably you can hear a slight load change on a high demand function but thats it

 

[walkerv]

Is it low on power?
Any black smoke out the exhaust?
Possible restriction in the muffler?
Is the serp belt singing tight?

It sure sounds like the pump timing is advanced.

She's running hotter than I would want to see!! Yikes.

Not low on power no black smoke muffler looks like it was recently changed, belts tight. I put a cam belt on a car once and retarded cam one cog on accident it ran hot as **** fast and made the manifold glow .