Looking to haul more gravel materials

[RZucker]

In Washington if the inner bridge and overall between 1 and 4 is good you might get 14 ton maybe 15 ton. On paper just guessing at lengths it looks like 19 ton and some change. However you will typically bury the back group before you ever load 20,000 on the nose. I have had this argument in person in the North Bend scales with a female officer who was in the process off writing me a ticket for 3000 over on the drivers. I inquired whether I should open the hood and throw rocks all over the engine to try to get better weight transfer...

Was she an Itty bitty redhead with a haystack haircut and beady eyes? Just askin' I really don't know how she could walk with the chip she carried on her shoulder.

 

[Mother Deuce]

Was she an Itty bitty redhead with a haystack haircut and beady eyes? Just askin' I really don't know how she could walk with the chip she carried on her shoulder.

Yeah... I determined right out of the gate we were probably not going to enjoy our professional relationship. At least I was not going to enjoy it.

 

[DMiller]

RZ, sounds as you have personal contact with the miscreant soul!!

 

[DMiller]

That is why the longer deeper beds and twin pushers on the trucks here. To get more weight OFF the drivers needed more WB but had to garner Bridge formula too.

 

[DMiller]

Is a Pretty Blue KW.

 

[td25c]

We've got it easy here as the average 18-20 CY tri-axle can legally carry a 25 ton payload on state and local roads.

Typical tri-axle that can legally carry 25 tons like this one. If I ever win the lottery...

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Same here CM .

And a Quote from Trucker buddy Wayne ……. " If you ever catch your boy playing with trucks in the sandbox make sure to tan his hide good so he wont want one later in life " LOL

Wayne's 82 & still trucking

 

[Ronsii]

In Washington if the inner bridge and overall between 1 and 4 is good you might get 14 ton maybe 15 ton. On paper just guessing at lengths it looks like 19 ton and some change. However you will typically bury the back group before you ever load 20,000 on the nose. I have had this argument in person in the North Bend scales with a female officer who was in the process off writing me a ticket for 3000 over on the drivers. I inquired whether I should open the hood and throw rocks all over the engine to try to get better weight transfer...

I have noticed just in the last couple years all the big guys and quite a few little guys are running the 7 axle super dumps, and in the last month I would bet that every week there are another couple dozen brand new ones running around

 

[RZucker]

RZ, sounds as you have personal contact with the miscreant soul!!

Nope, it was only professional. And I was the usual loser. My normal response was "Write it up, I don't have all day to arm wrestle". Usually it was just a correctional notice.

 

[RZucker]

I have noticed just in the last couple years all the big guys and quite a few little guys are running the 7 axle super dumps, and in the last month I would bet that every week there are another couple dozen brand new ones running around
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Lately Granite has been running 10+ of these over on this side.

 

[Ronsii]

The asphalt guys seem to love em'!!! no more trailers, less switch outs when paving, mix stays hotter, just seems like it's an all around better idea... and just think what you could do with a four axle pup behind it well if the DOT wasn't around....

 

[DMiller]

Those are becoming a thing here in the MW too, the air swing down was started on Mixers when they stepped up from 10 to 12 yard drums so they could scale the extra material(usually loaded to 10.5 max yds.). County and secondary state highways can get away with heavier axle loading unless get into bridge formula figures then need more axles under.

 

[Mother Deuce]

The asphalt guys seem to love em'!!! no more trailers, less switch outs when paving, mix stays hotter, just seems like it's an all around better idea... and just think what you could do with a four axle pup behind it well if the DOT wasn't around....

Lakeside has been trying to beat the trailer thing for decades. They pretty much invented that super trailer 4 axle that had the bail to back the reach through so you could back it like regular trailer by raising the dolly rubber off the grade

 

[92U 3406]

I have noticed just in the last couple years all the big guys and quite a few little guys are running the 7 axle super dumps, and in the last month I would bet that every week there are another couple dozen brand new ones running around
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How much can you haul with one of those? We never see anything like that out in these parts.

 

[DMiller]

The literature:
https://www.superdumps.com/videos/super_dump_vs_quint_dump_truck/

Know locally the Quads here haul 24T routinely, get any distance and that drops back to 19.

 

[td25c]

We did a job last week repairing some crushed drain tile . Replaced it with 4" SC- 40 PVC .

Job was a total mud pie with all the rain lately . Called " Buddy Dave " to run us out about 8 tons of # 9 stone with his single axil Ford so we could back fill .

He showed up with 10 tons .

We used it all …. If Dave had a " Super Dump" he would spill out 35 tons

 

[RZucker]

Those are becoming a thing here in the MW too, the air swing down was started on Mixers when they stepped up from 10 to 12 yard drums so they could scale the extra material(usually loaded to 10.5 max yds.). County and secondary state highways can get away with heavier axle loading unless get into bridge formula figures then need more axles under.

Lately I've been seeing mixers with 2 lift axles in the middle and a swing down in the rear. No idea how many yards they carry. But I have seen a broken frame on the topside just behind the rear spring shackle on the steer. Why would that break there? Carrying the nose on the lifts?

 

[td25c]

Typical Mixer setup in our neck of the woods .

10 yard capacity .

Very agile with the short wheelbase

 

[Ronsii]

Typical Mixer setup in our neck of the woods .

10 yard capacity .

Very agile with the short wheelbase

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Yeah td25, for some reason the front discharge mud trucks just haven't caught on around here see a few now and then but the conventional trucks can haul 10.75yds legally so it works for guys here.

 

[Mother Deuce]

Lately I've been seeing mixers with 2 lift axles in the middle and a swing down in the rear. No idea how many yards they carry. But I have seen a broken frame on the topside just behind the rear spring shackle on the steer. Why would that break there? Carrying the nose on the lifts?

If you think of the "strong arm” in the rear as a being like a floor jack underneath a pintle hitch on a conventional 3 axle arrangement on a dump truck and on every load you had the floor jack jacked up you would move a bunch weight to the nose. Now add the drops.... lots of stress up front.

 

[DMiller]

I often wondered of the frame stresses these trucks were suffering with. Saw enough older mixers and dump trucks with cracked frames from too heavy on bad roads cannot imagine the pounding these are taking.