Hi Anthony, That’s some good information there, was your machine a Svl952s? and would you remember what error codes would activate .......Thankyou
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Kubota svl 95-2s problem please help!!
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Hi Anthony, That’s some good information there, was your machine a Svl952s? and would you remember what error codes would activate .......Thankyou
Anthony Collins
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Mine is a 95-2 and it was degraded def code(s) mine were 9518,9601 and two others i cant remember but i drained the def tank several times i was accused of putting diesel in the def tank to the point of screaming and cussing the warranty people. One of the lead mechanics told me i was buying bad def (i didn't know that was possible) and that I needed a def refractometer. I bought one, totally useless for me . I got with the local COOP involved they did research, the state agency were I live (Tennessee USA) got involved. Out of 468 or so gallons of def sold I was the only one with issues. At the very end of it all I don't know if the kubota mechanics (from a completely different dealership) took pity or if they thought it was a challenge. Keep in mind I hadn't purchased anything from theses people. They came out with a brand new Peterbuilt service truck and it stayed on my job for three(3)weeks mostly because of misinformation they were given !The young man worked the problem and finally came up with the pre and post knock sensors were not reading correctly which in turn threw off the def injection and created the other issues. I hope this is helpful
About a month ago, we had a fairly new Svl952s with only 300 hrs on it. After one day of work, it started showing code 9510. That code indicates a DEF problem, DEF injector if I remember correctly. I ran it until it went into limp/safe mode, then had to give up and park it. The dealer said it could not be fixed in the field and they had to haul it back to the dealership. so much for getting any mulching done that week.
Hi mowing man, was the problem resolved?.....If so would love to know what they did to rectify the issue .....cheers
Anthony, thanks for the info you have just explained exactly our issues. From “you got contaminated def” to “you put diesel in the Adblue tank” so your warranty is void, just not a chance to either of those.
Your experience with the machine is invaluable and your willingness to share is well appreciated many many thanks....ours is a 95-2 as well how is the machine now aside from the these issues are you happy with the performance
We had 3 of the fairly new Kubota CTL's in 3 weeks. All low hour and all rentals with FAE mulcher. None of the 3 performed well and we got maybe 20 hours out of our 3 weeks of onsite time. All had either door seal, (dust) problems, A/C problems, or DEF problems, (this last one). I was disappointed to say the least. Start at the beginning of this topic and you can see what trouble we were having.
Anthony Collins
Member
When the machine works properly it is an absolute beast it will out perform any of the other comparable machines I have had Cat ,John Deere, Gehl, and Case and as a whole my maintenance budget have been cut by more 70% and my overall down time compared to the others can be measured in minutes compared to hours. I based this on the other kubotas (svl 75,75-2,kx161,kx057) I own or owned. However this 95-2 is a different story I purchased it on 12-13-17 it went down on 12-28-17 and stayed in some form of down status until 4-25-18 and then promptly broke down again (def unrelated) in may.SO nine (9)months of ownership five(5) months of down time. In my opinion it's not financially viable. Throw in the FACT that kubota inc. support to customers and to the dealerships is absent at best.,makes the 95-2 a mistake. THE JUICE IS NOT WORTH THE SQUEEZE I hope this was helpful. Oh one more thing if you do not have the upgraded air intake put in place a schedule of cleaning /checking air filter daily even twice a day regardless of the environment you're in.
Thanks Anthony, we will look at the nox sensors just to see if they are fouled I’m waiting for a response, Not sure if the sensors are plug go or a calibration with a diagmaster. Thanks for all your help you actually have more insight with the machine than Kubota......cheers
goldiehana
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Can you please tell me what the fix is for this as I have exactly the same error code issues & my kubota dealer is still trying to problem solve for the last 4 weeks. Help
Anthony Collins
Member
I am 98% that it is NOT your def . As bad as dealers are to deal with you have a 5 year 3000hr emessions warranty that includes def injectors mufflers knock sensors etc. the cost of the replacement parts are insainly expensive in my area knock sensors $1300 each.I dealt with the dealer not knowing and not getting the answers for 4 months until i found a dealer with some common sense and they were able to work the problem You can eliminate the def question by buying a def refractometer$80-$125 some dealers wont know what that is. but in my experience with my machine the problem that you are having is between the knock sensors and def injector. hope i help you
heymccall
Senior Member
In English, either the dosing injector that sprays DEF into the exhaust, or one of the Oxide of Nitrogen (Nox) sensors is compromised. The dosing injector can clog with crystallized exhaust fluid, but, fortunately, it is easily dissolvable in water, or, as I prefer, glass cleaner with ammonia.
Nate The Great
Member
Hopefully my story/situation will help others...
Last Wednesday (day before Thanksgiving) returned from lunch, started up the machine and had service code 9516 on the message center/dashboard. Looked up the code and it stated “Coolant Valve for Def Tank”. I called the dealership and they said all the mechanics had left at lunch for the holiday and she couldn’t answer any of my questions. So, I parked the machine and went home as well.
Returned to the job Monday morning, (Hopeing maybe, just maybe it fixed itself over the weekend
) code was still on. I called the dealership and talked to the Owner, gave him the code and he said immediately.... “I know what the problem is, it can’t be fixed in the field, run it until it goes in limp mode, in the meantime, I’ll get a loaner ready and loaded up. As soon as I can, I’ll send one of my guys to go swap it out with yours.” (I asked no questions at the time, just said Ok, Thanks). About 30 mins later, it went into Limp Mode, I drove it back to our staging area.(Very slowly) When I got there I turned the key off, removed the key from the ignition and the machine stayed running!! I thought... what the heck?? So, I put key back in, turned the key as if I was starting it, and nothing. Turned key off, removed it again... Still Nothing (it’s still running, heater on, radio on, etc..)!! So, I called the Owner of the dealership again. Gave him the update, he told me to open the engine door, on left side of engine compartment, up towards the top, unplug that main wiring harness. So, I did...still nothing. Then he had me turn the fuel shut off switch off, and just run it out of diesel. So, I did. Engine finally shut off!!
About 1/2 an hour later they showed up with a loaner machine to use, and picked mine up. Before they left he (The Mechanic) showed me the connection to the wiring harness that I unplugged. IT WAS ALMOST SOLID BLUE from corrosion and had actually eaten a hole in the plug!! He said what the cause was... that def fluid is leaking out of the def injector itself and the def fluid runs down the wire, into the plug and ultimately corrodes, shorts out, etc...
They left with the machine. I stopped by the dealership the next morning to check in, ask questions, get prognosis, etc..
Long story short, they have to replace the entire wiring harness for the skid loader. (Luckily it is covered under warranty) I asked if they have had many of these problems. They said not really, not until recently! They said they had done maybe 4 or 5 in the last year or so. But recently we’ve had a bunch. I said how many is a bunch?? They said...look around the shop, almost every one of these machines have the same problem. I counted 6 or 7 machines! So, I asked why so many all the sudden? They could not answer that. They said Kubota headquarters obviously knows about the issue and are working feverishly to come up with a fix.
After thinking about it, seeing the problem, and talking with the mechanics, and Owner. As for why so many, so recently.....I think it has to be Weather Related and the last cold snap we had triggered it. I think the seal/o-ring on the def injector gets hot, cold, and hot, cold, and hot, cold, so much. That then a true cold (freezing temps for several days in a row) hit and they aren’t sealing anymore. Then the fluid leak, runs down the wire harness, corrodes the terminals, and bam, your are in Limp Mode!!
The Owner called me this afternoon and told me they should be done replacing the entire wiring harness (and doing the air filter campaign) tomorrow afternoon and will be ready to return to me by Monday morning. He told me that he would let me know what the long term fix is, and what they are going to do with the replacement wiring harness that may start corroding immediately. Hopefully they figure out something soon!!
I do want to take the time and opportunity to brag, and say that my Kubota Dealership is the best!!! They have handled my issue perfectly, professionally, quickly, informative as they can be, honest as they can be, etc. I honestly can’t think of anything they could have done to make this bad situation, any better!!
Sorry, for the long post/book I’ve written above. I wanted to be as specific as I could be, in hopes of helping others!
Let me know if you have any questions...
Nathan
Last Wednesday (day before Thanksgiving) returned from lunch, started up the machine and had service code 9516 on the message center/dashboard. Looked up the code and it stated “Coolant Valve for Def Tank”. I called the dealership and they said all the mechanics had left at lunch for the holiday and she couldn’t answer any of my questions. So, I parked the machine and went home as well.
Returned to the job Monday morning, (Hopeing maybe, just maybe it fixed itself over the weekend
) code was still on. I called the dealership and talked to the Owner, gave him the code and he said immediately.... “I know what the problem is, it can’t be fixed in the field, run it until it goes in limp mode, in the meantime, I’ll get a loaner ready and loaded up. As soon as I can, I’ll send one of my guys to go swap it out with yours.” (I asked no questions at the time, just said Ok, Thanks). About 30 mins later, it went into Limp Mode, I drove it back to our staging area.(Very slowly) When I got there I turned the key off, removed the key from the ignition and the machine stayed running!! I thought... what the heck?? So, I put key back in, turned the key as if I was starting it, and nothing. Turned key off, removed it again... Still Nothing (it’s still running, heater on, radio on, etc..)!! So, I called the Owner of the dealership again. Gave him the update, he told me to open the engine door, on left side of engine compartment, up towards the top, unplug that main wiring harness. So, I did...still nothing. Then he had me turn the fuel shut off switch off, and just run it out of diesel. So, I did. Engine finally shut off!!About 1/2 an hour later they showed up with a loaner machine to use, and picked mine up. Before they left he (The Mechanic) showed me the connection to the wiring harness that I unplugged. IT WAS ALMOST SOLID BLUE from corrosion and had actually eaten a hole in the plug!! He said what the cause was... that def fluid is leaking out of the def injector itself and the def fluid runs down the wire, into the plug and ultimately corrodes, shorts out, etc...
They left with the machine. I stopped by the dealership the next morning to check in, ask questions, get prognosis, etc..
Long story short, they have to replace the entire wiring harness for the skid loader. (Luckily it is covered under warranty) I asked if they have had many of these problems. They said not really, not until recently! They said they had done maybe 4 or 5 in the last year or so. But recently we’ve had a bunch. I said how many is a bunch?? They said...look around the shop, almost every one of these machines have the same problem. I counted 6 or 7 machines! So, I asked why so many all the sudden? They could not answer that. They said Kubota headquarters obviously knows about the issue and are working feverishly to come up with a fix.
After thinking about it, seeing the problem, and talking with the mechanics, and Owner. As for why so many, so recently.....I think it has to be Weather Related and the last cold snap we had triggered it. I think the seal/o-ring on the def injector gets hot, cold, and hot, cold, and hot, cold, so much. That then a true cold (freezing temps for several days in a row) hit and they aren’t sealing anymore. Then the fluid leak, runs down the wire harness, corrodes the terminals, and bam, your are in Limp Mode!!
The Owner called me this afternoon and told me they should be done replacing the entire wiring harness (and doing the air filter campaign) tomorrow afternoon and will be ready to return to me by Monday morning. He told me that he would let me know what the long term fix is, and what they are going to do with the replacement wiring harness that may start corroding immediately. Hopefully they figure out something soon!!
I do want to take the time and opportunity to brag, and say that my Kubota Dealership is the best!!! They have handled my issue perfectly, professionally, quickly, informative as they can be, honest as they can be, etc. I honestly can’t think of anything they could have done to make this bad situation, any better!!
Sorry, for the long post/book I’ve written above. I wanted to be as specific as I could be, in hopes of helping others!
Let me know if you have any questions...
Nathan
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Hopefully my story/situation will help others...
Last Wednesday (day before Thanksgiving) returned from lunch, started up the machine and had service code 9516 on the message center/dashboard. Looked up the code and it stated “Coolant Valve for Def Tank”. I called the dealership and they said all the mechanics had left at lunch for the holiday and she couldn’t answer any of my questions. So, I parked the machine and went home as well.
Returned to the job Monday morning, (Hopeing maybe, just maybe it fixed itself over the weekend
About 1/2 an hour later they showed up with a loaner machine to use, and picked mine up. Before they left he (The Mechanic) showed me the connection to the wiring harness that I unplugged. IT WAS ALMOST SOLID BLUE from corrosion and had actually eaten a hole in the plug!! He said what the cause was... that def fluid is leaking out of the def injector itself and the def fluid runs down the wire, into the plug and ultimately corrodes, shorts out, etc...
They left with the machine. I stopped by the dealership the next morning to check in, ask questions, get prognosis, etc..
Long story short, they have to replace the entire wiring harness for the skid loader. (Luckily it is covered under warranty) I asked if they have had many of these problems. They said not really, not until recently! They said they had done maybe 4 or 5 in the last year or so. But recently we’ve had a bunch. I said how many is a bunch?? They said...look around the shop, almost every one of these machines have the same problem. I counted 6 or 7 machines! So, I asked why so many all the sudden? They could not answer that. They said Kubota headquarters obviously knows about the issue and are working feverishly to come up with a fix.
After thinking about it, seeing the problem, and talking with the mechanics, and Owner. As for why so many, so recently.....I think it has to be Weather Related and the last cold snap we had triggered it. I think the seal/o-ring on the def injector gets hot, cold, and hot, cold, and hot, cold, so much. That then a true cold (freezing temps for several days in a row) hit and they aren’t sealing anymore. Then the fluid leak, runs down the wire harness, corrodes the terminals, and bam, your are in Limp Mode!!
The Owner called me this afternoon and told me they should be done replacing the entire wiring harness (and doing the air filter campaign) tomorrow afternoon and will be ready to return to me by Monday morning. He told me that he would let me know what the long term fix is, and what they are going to do with the replacement wiring harness that may start corroding immediately. Hopefully they figure out something soon!!
I do want to take the time and opportunity to brag, and say that my Kubota Dealership is the best!!! They have handled my issue perfectly, professionally, quickly, informative as they can be, honest as they can be, etc. I honestly can’t think of anything they could have done to make this bad situation, any better!!
Sorry, for the long post/book I’ve written above. I wanted to be as specific as I could be, in hopes of helping others!
Let me know if you have any questions...
Nathan
Nathan,
Same problem with our 2018 SVL95-2s (Atlanta based) Not so lucky on having a competent dealer! Pissed off at Kubota corporate. I called and was told there was a service bulletin on this issue - They don't proactively push the bulletins the dealers need to stay current... which ours does not. We further told that there is now a serious back order log on the wire harnesses. You were correct, the hard freeze caused the failure. Dealers in the Atlanta area have 100's of these units sitting in there yards waiting on the harnesses. Kubota corporate confirmed the manufacturer back log on replacement harnesses.
Nate The Great
Member
Hysert,
I did not personally see any cracks in any of the plastics. That does not mean they weren’t there. I’ve missed things before, that is for sure! What you are stating makes perfect sense.
I did not personally see any cracks in any of the plastics. That does not mean they weren’t there. I’ve missed things before, that is for sure! What you are stating makes perfect sense.
Nate The Great
Member
PMG,
That sucks!! I’m sorry your dealership isn’t treating you better than they are.
I agree with you 100% about Kubota HQ./Corporate doesn’t do a very good job at all, about notifying their Customers about updates, bug fixes, campaigns, service bulletin, or whatever you want to call it.
As far as back order of wiring harnesses... that doesn’t surprise me one bit. I know when mine was in the shop, they had the same issue. There were several in the shop waiting on harnesses, so they could put them back together. (I want to say there were 6 or 7 machines waiting on the harness).
I don’t even want to think about how many units are affected and how much money this issue is costing Kubota!! If my little Dealership, in a town of 30,000 people, just outside of Tulsa, Ok. Has 6 or 7 waiting on parts. How many units are sitting, in a big city/market??
Good luck, and keep us posted!
Nathan
That sucks!! I’m sorry your dealership isn’t treating you better than they are.
I agree with you 100% about Kubota HQ./Corporate doesn’t do a very good job at all, about notifying their Customers about updates, bug fixes, campaigns, service bulletin, or whatever you want to call it.
As far as back order of wiring harnesses... that doesn’t surprise me one bit. I know when mine was in the shop, they had the same issue. There were several in the shop waiting on harnesses, so they could put them back together. (I want to say there were 6 or 7 machines waiting on the harness).
I don’t even want to think about how many units are affected and how much money this issue is costing Kubota!! If my little Dealership, in a town of 30,000 people, just outside of Tulsa, Ok. Has 6 or 7 waiting on parts. How many units are sitting, in a big city/market??
Good luck, and keep us posted!
Nathan
Interesting no doubt!!! And with the internal thawing devise in the DEF tank doing F all bc the freezing has already occurred makes perfect sense! I'm thinking of wrapping my DEF tank in dynamat?? Probably the only available product to keep some of the chill off??? Thoughts??
I think I am going with the electrical heat wrap approach -plug it in on cold nights. I am only a few weeks ago from finishing my heated garage where I plan to store it on cold evenings. I suspect that they are going to rework the o-ring assembly - The real blame is with the Obama administration and the EPA thugs that pushed this whole DEF **** down our throats! I wish I still had my old SVL 75!
Nathan,
Latest posting in Atlanta ownership community has the total of SVL 95 -2s in the shops around the greater Atlanta area at 387 units. Kubota is going to have a mutiny on their hands soon! Cat is also having the same problems...