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drillrigdoc

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Mr. HDX, can you explain the Johnson bar? I’m only familiar with that term in a Manitowoc crane, it is (was) used to control the torque converter on the early Vicon machines. Thank you very much, you are a wealth of knowledge, Will in the pnw.
 

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Not a dumb question at all. That's what we are here for... Ask away. We haul from all over the place Sometimes we can get say three loads a day if we are what we call hauling short... That would be around 20 miles each way Then there is the other end of the scale where we get 1 maybe 1 1/2 loads a day hauling from as far out as 60 miles. A lot depends on how much adverse (UP-HILL) we have to pull. So sometimes we will get a short load ,Get dumped at the DryLand Sort and then head out for a long trip. sometimes we get back to Sarita with the load and sometimes we end up parking along the road loaded and pick the truck up again in the morning to get the load to the dryland sort. There have been a few "Cream Runs" where I have hauled 12 loads to the Sort in a day. But very rare and very close to the dryland..Those are the "Fun Ones". If we are hauling from the back end of the Roanne Way out at the end of Haddon Mainline all the way to Sarita and the roads are rough because the grader cant keep up, then it would be one load for that day. We try and keep as close to 100 meter loads as we can. That means about 100 tons per load. 1 Meter equals 1 ton or 2000 lbs. does this answer your question petepilot???
 

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Mr. HDX, can you explain the Johnson bar? I’m only familiar with that term in a Manitowoc crane, it is (was) used to control the torque converter on the early Vicon machines. Thank you very much, you are a wealth of knowledge, Will in the pnw. On the Clark 8000 series Automatic transmissions, It only controls, Forward Neutral and Reverse..Same as what your application was. Not all the shift towers on the Clarks were the same. Maybe 075 can post a picture of the other style. These ones like the picture I posted,you would put the shifter in any gear you desire then push the Johnson Bar either ahead or to the rear Forward or reverse. On the tower you can see a slot on the R/H side of each gear, That is the "Lock up" position for every gear. When locked up it gives direct drive whereas when in the converter mode ,the clutches will slip . when they slip like that it creates heat and will eventually over time de-laminate the clutch packs. The problem with the Clarks was the retarders. the Young oil coolers were just not enough to cool the oil fast enough. You would start down a mountain and apply (Step on) the retarder pedal and in no time the trans oil temp was at 300 degrees. Having said this though,They were a pretty darn good transmission. I am always on the lookout for one to install in one of my restored trucks..(The WHD Hayes I have). It is a big job to install one though because they sit so high between the frame rails. Have to alter the bottom of the water tank to get them to fit
 

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Thanks for the answer to a question I kept forgetting to ask...I noticed the different front axel locations but didn't clue in....I do like the look of the set forward front axel.
 

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Not a dumb question at all. That's what we are here for... Ask away. We haul from all over the place Sometimes we can get say three loads a day if we are what we call hauling short... That would be around 20 miles each way Then there is the other end of the scale where we get 1 maybe 1 1/2 loads a day hauling from as far out as 60 miles. A lot depends on how much adverse (UP-HILL) we have to pull. So sometimes we will get a short load ,Get dumped at the DryLand Sort and then head out for a long trip. sometimes we get back to Sarita with the load and sometimes we end up parking along the road loaded and pick the truck up again in the morning to get the load to the dryland sort. There have been a few "Cream Runs" where I have hauled 12 loads to the Sort in a day. But very rare and very close to the dryland..Those are the "Fun Ones". If we are hauling from the back end of the Roanne Way out at the end of Haddon Mainline all the way to Sarita and the roads are rough because the grader cant keep up, then it would be one load for that day. We try and keep as close to 100 meter loads as we can. That means about 100 tons per load. 1 Meter equals 1 ton or 2000 lbs. does this answer your question petepilot???
sure does i`d like to ride a round or two in one of those rigs but don`t see that happening .been in about everything else except running on a 300 foot deep frozen lake. thats not happening either :eek:
 

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This is the shifter for the Clark that doesn't use the Johnson bar . You can only get into 4th gear in reverse which is plenty fast enough for most guys lolphone #2 080.JPG
 

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This is also a replacement shifter gate, the original ones were chrome. They wore out the detentes and the arm from use and got sloppy and started to rattle as you drove,Not that you could hear it over the trans any way .And if you shift with the palm of your hand with fingers dangling it will bite ,Ask me how I know
 

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This is also a replacement shifter gate, the original ones were chrome. They wore out the detentes and the arm from use and got sloppy and started to rattle as you drove,Not that you could hear it over the trans any way .And if you shift with the palm of your hand with fingers dangling it will bite ,Ask me how I know
I went for a ride in one of the kenworth’s at Port McNeill when I was about 5 or 6. I Didn’t have school so he took me to work with him. When the lowbed showed up he asked the driver if I could go for a ride. The driver was a super nice guy, he let me shift! So I guess I helped haul my Dad’s D8! I think my ears are still ringing though. Detroit’s weren’t called a buzzin dozen for nothing!
 
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drillrigdoc

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Thanks HDX for the explanation on the J bar, that makes sense. Also thanks 075 for the pic. I am stuck working several time zones away currently. Take care fellas!
 

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IMG_0062.JPG H61 was a 1973 model HDX In this picture she was 7 years old. She would sustain front end damage in an accident when the driver got out while the truck was being loaded and he left the trailer hand valve on instead of dynamiting it The valve came off and the truck rolled down the road and went into the ditch. Decision was made to scrap her.. Very sad way to end her career
 

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H-210.JPG This was a Northwest Bay Division truck H210 that Franklin picked up as surplus from them in 1972. We needed more trucks and this one and her sister ,the H208 both came up together Both these trucks had 8V71 N's and 4&4 trans Both were PreLoad trucks. Worked well but eventually they were reduced to other duties. The H210 would become the new Line Horse And H208 would be parked. When we started the PUP & Train program the H208 was restored to active duty again.. She would be converted into the Yard Truck for making up the pups and train loads. More pictures of those later....
 

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IMG_0702.jpg IMG_0705.jpg This was Emmett Merediths loader for a long time. It was the one I hauled my first "Solo Load" from. Emmett would stay on her until the new American 7220 Heel Boom loaders came in 1972. The L50 would be taken over by another young guy Danny Williams. When he eventually got a newer loader, the L50 was surplused and sent to Copper Canyon Division. Lost track of her after that
 
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