Millions in damages.

[Buckethead]

I support the pipeline 100%!!! That being said, I don't know if I like the extreme force used against the protesters. And yes, anyone that burned equipment needs prison time for arson.

 

[Welder Dave]

The thing I can't understand with these anti-pipeline people is they fail to realize that the natural gas to heat their homes goes through pipelines as well. Should all those pipelines be shut down?

 

[Buckethead]

I think most of those protesters are more misguided than evil.

 

[Buckethead]

I have read that the tribal government never sent anyone to any of the public meetings beforehand to object to the pipeline. I am sure they could have had the pipeline moved away from their water supply if they had stated their concerns beforehand.

 

[Shimmy1]

Here is a little more that you aren't going to hear by the mainstream media. I listen to quite a little AM radio. There have been a couple instances where they have local citizens call in for a morning or afternoon. Some of the stories can really put into perspective how patient and understanding the local populace and law enforcement have been. People can't leave their farms because they are afraid, either of what will/could happen while they are gone, or what happens when they are stopped by these so-called protestors on the roads. They surround the vehicles, yelling, screaming, threatening to break windows and slash tires, take pictures if their license plates, etc. The school buses have been pulled at times so their children can't get to school. The hired help has quit, either not willing to put up with the B.S. of trying to get to work, or actually fearful if their safety. Many ranchers have all of their hay left to bring home, and others can't get their grain to market. It really is kind of surprising that someone hasn't gotten killed. If this happened anywhere else, it might be totally different.

 

[Shimmy1]

I have read that the tribal government never sent anyone to any of the public meetings beforehand to object to the pipeline. I am sure they could have had the pipeline moved away from their water supply if they had stated their concerns beforehand.

The water intake is going to be 70 miles south of the proposed crossing. The pipeline will be triple-walled, 92' below the river bottom. The pipeline already crosses the river twice more, one crossing is only 14 miles upstream of Williston's water intake.

 

[dayexco]

son lives in bismarck. i saw a news article that there are three tribes there that want to break ground on a $450 million refinery in may.

that legit?

 

[Buckethead]

People can't leave their farms because they are afraid, either of what will/could happen while they are gone, or what happens when they are stopped by these so-called protestors on the roads. They surround the vehicles, yelling, screaming, threatening to break windows and slash tires, take pictures if their license plates, etc.

That's definitely against the law. You always have the right to protest, but no right to block public roads or threaten.

 

[Shimmy1]

son lives in bismarck. i saw a news article that there are three tribes there that want to break ground on a $450 million refinery in may.

that legit?

Built already. Phase 1 anyway.
http://m.bismarcktribune.com/bakken...cle_c31c922a-62ee-11e3-b4bc-0019bb2963f4.html
http://www.mharefinery.com/progress/

 

[backhoe1]

I don't care what the circumstances are, If you break the law you belong in prison. There is absolutely nothing peaceful about this protest and the sad thing is that the protestors don't even know what they are protesting... I'd tell you more about how I feel but I don't want to get kicked off of here.

 

[td25c]

Big deals & property / land

I really don't see any issue with the pipeline going though wherever it needs to go to move product .

This could have been a simple business deal where everyone came out on top .

My take on it is the Tribal leaders not showing up to the meetings is they actually think they own the land the pipeline is going though .

They own it to an extent until the deal gets big enough , just like the rest of us .

Time comes when you bend with the wind or break .

They have overplayed there hand by letting this protest go this long in my opinion .

I'm all for property rights and will side with the land owner every time .

Just don't overplay it .:cool2

 

[dayexco]

my understanding, is many of the protesters are from out of state, funded by warren buffet, who owns burlington northern railroad, which carries the lion's share of the crude out of the bakken.

more pipelines, less trains.

 

[td25c]

Here is a little more that you aren't going to hear by the mainstream media. I listen to quite a little AM radio. There have been a couple instances where they have local citizens call in for a morning or afternoon. Some of the stories can really put into perspective how patient and understanding the local populace and law enforcement have been. People can't leave their farms because they are afraid, either of what will/could happen while they are gone, or what happens when they are stopped by these so-called protestors on the roads. They surround the vehicles, yelling, screaming, threatening to break windows and slash tires, take pictures if their license plates, etc. The school buses have been pulled at times so their children can't get to school. The hired help has quit, either not willing to put up with the B.S. of trying to get to work, or actually fearful if their safety. Many ranchers have all of their hay left to bring home, and others can't get their grain to market. It really is kind of surprising that someone hasn't gotten killed. If this happened anywhere else, it might be totally different.

Can sure appreciate those concerns Shimmy .

Life can be hard enough without people blocking the way .

Imagine this issue will solve itself with the weather & free market doing what they do .

 

[Shimmy1]

My take on it is the Tribal leaders not showing up to the meetings is they actually think they own the land the pipeline is going though .

They own it to an extent until the deal gets big enough , just like the rest of us .

Very interesting take, td25. But, the real deal in all of this is they are trying to claim that the current easement corridor they want to use is "treaty land", land they claim rightfully belongs to them. The rub, though, is there is already a pipe in the ground through there, and a transmission line. That's why they chose this particular route. There was already easement in place. That is until the Corp. decided to rescind the permit to go under the river, due to " unresolved issues".

 

[Dickjr.]

One thing I can't understand is the protesters use fuel and or other products pushed thru the pipeline. They will be the first to get aggravated if they go to a fuel station and its out of fuel. This is the most efficient way to transport the product which lowers the cost. And besides that the last line that went through here , the owners were paid well , real well. No one wants contaminated water for these folks. Just seems like anymore the right to assemble is used for anything and everything. I recall when fuel was 4$ , I was filling my truck up and a young person was filling a small chevy of some sort. They complained about 25$ in the car , my bill was 600$. In this aspect I want all the pipelines I can get. The whole situation is just bad.

 

[JPV]

This is a very interesting thread, all I really know is what I have heard on NPR radio which is pretty firmly on the protesters side. I am curious who is really funding all those people, because i am pretty sure they ain't raising all that fuss just about water. I am also firmly in favor of property rights but it sounds like they didn't take the opportunities to worry about it when they should have. I also have to believe most of these people are misguided rather than evil, although that might be debatable seeing some of the stuff they are up to. I hope they get it built soon because if they don't this sets a scary precident in a day and age where it is so hard to get anything done like this as it is!

 

[lantraxco]

I have no idea if all of this is true, but it gives a counterpoint story to what most of the media is reporting on this:
http://dailysignal.com/2016/11/17/t...peline-that-protesters-dont-want-you-to-know/

 

[Twisted]

The tribe didn't care. It's just another pipe in the ground and they were going to be compensated. The project gets to this stage and a few of them try to strongarm a percentage of the oil from the pipeline. Buffet sees an opening and sends in his paid protesters. The tribe says "This has gone too far" and most of them want the protesters to leave.

About 75% of the people in my area think the pipe is good. The rest believe anything that could make a capitalist some money is bad.

I am honestly surprised at the restraint that the LEO and the local landowners have shown. I'm not sure that I could have with my property destroyed and my family threatened.

 

[old-iron-habit]

My wife's cousin is in a sheriffs dept that sent a couple deputy's up to help. They came back after getting shot at and luckily only grazed in the clothing.
I asked her about the eventual final outcome of this situation and she just shrugged, then about the N.Guard and it sounded like they didnt want to get too involved.

Personally. Bring in the C-130 water tankers on a -30 40mph day and disperse the crowd, setup a armed perimeter and pull that pipe through.

A C-130 will certainly disperse the crowd. I seen one smash the hood to bits and tear the top of the cab right off a DNR fire truck a few years ago on a forrest fire. Should slow down the protesters all right but it would be permanent.

EDIT: My understanding is that the tribe was hand carried official notices of the meetings and asked for there input and still chose to ignore the meetings. What I really can not understand is if one was a true envirionmentalist one would want modern pipelines replacing 60 year old worn out ones not waiting for them to leak and then whine about it. Heard also that most of the serious protesters are the same paid sh*t disturbers that have been protesting for years and have made a career out of it.

 

[Jonas302]

Its truly a shame to have a violent uprising called a protest