Millions in damages.

[Shimmy1]

I haven't seen anything on here so far, and I'm just wondering what the general feelings towards this pipeline debacle are in other areas of the country. This issue is very polarizing, but as long as we follow the rules and leave the political blame and race issues out of the discussion, maybe we could get a more definite idea on where the majority of the country stands than you could get off FB or the national media. I live here, about a 100 miles from the zone, and in my area, the majority wants nothing more than for the pipe to get in the ground.

Please respect Mr. Frazier's rules if you want to comment.

 

[Bumpsteer]

imo, vandalism is no way to prove ones point, doesn't give their cause much respect.

Ed

 

[lantraxco]

For myself I simply cannot believe the mindless support for this so called protest. You try to inform someone of a few facts about this situation and you get shouted down, they're not interested they just want to protest everything.

These jackwads had years to protest and complain and negotiate, or try to get injunctions or EPA action or sue, but no, they wait until the majority of the work is done and the contractors and pipeline company are on the hook for millions or billions in losses. The method will work though, if after putting in years of planning, permitting, meetings, reroutes, right of way negotiations, etc. all it takes is a group of anarchists to stop it cold, you'll damn sure not see any new pipelines proposed, who needs that kind of crap when you're gambling billions and may lose your capacity contracts for not meeting the deadline? The so called core of this is the Standing Rock Sioux, hell they couldn't be bothered to show up to the meetings they'd scheduled when the planning was done, damn near 400 meetings were held with other tribes and groups. I think maybe they woke up and realized they could have gotten some money out of the deal? Send in the guard and put 'er in the ground.

Oh, and now there's supposed to be thousands of veterans on the way their to join in..... I think they're being seriously misinformed about this deal, if they go they should wind up helping the sheriffs deal with the lawless, violent, destructive peaceful protestors.

Ask me how I really feel.....

 

[Shimmy1]

For myself I simply cannot believe the mindless support for this so called protest. You try to inform someone of a few facts about this situation and you get shouted down, they're not interested they just want to protest everything.

These jackwads had years to protest and complain and negotiate, or try to get injunctions or EPA action or sue, but no, they wait until the majority of the work is done and the contractors and pipeline company are on the hook for millions or billions in losses. The method will work though, if after putting in years of planning, permitting, meetings, reroutes, right of way negotiations, etc. all it takes is a group of anarchists to stop it cold, you'll damn sure not see any new pipelines proposed, who needs that kind of crap when you're gambling billions and may lose your capacity contracts for not meeting the deadline? The so called core of this is the Standing Rock Sioux, hell they couldn't be bothered to show up to the meetings they'd scheduled when the planning was done, damn near 400 meetings were held with other tribes and groups. I think maybe they woke up and realized they could have gotten some money out of the deal? Send in the guard and put 'er in the ground.

Oh, and now there's supposed to be thousands of veterans on the way their to join in..... I think they're being seriously misinformed about this deal, if they go they should wind up helping the sheriffs deal with the lawless, violent, destructive peaceful protestors.

Ask me how I really feel.....

Thanks for the reply, Lantrax. How about others in your area? BTW, the guard has and is involved. This is what they do to them.

 

[RustedHeroes]

Let's protest ALL pipelines!!!!!

The alternative seems reasonable

 

[DoyleX]

My wife's cousin is in a sheriffs dept that sent a couple deputy's up to help. They came back after getting shot at and luckily only grazed in the clothing.
I asked her about the eventual final outcome of this situation and she just shrugged, then about the N.Guard and it sounded like they didnt want to get too involved.

Personally. Bring in the C-130 water tankers on a -30 40mph day and disperse the crowd, setup a armed perimeter and pull that pipe through.

 

[lantraxco]

Thanks for the reply, Lantrax. How about others in your area? BTW, the guard has and is involved. This is what they do to them.

I think people across the country are polarized about this, like it seems we are about pretty much everything these days. Blue collar workers and the like are all "What's the holdup, get it done already" and the unicorn huggers want to join the protest or at least send donations. Most have no clue as to the facts about the pipeline or the protests. It's all about the poor peaceful protesters being attacked and brutalized by the nazi storm troopers, for the corporations wanting to destroy all the water, which is pure bull. I think the "leave it in the ground" mentality is behind a lot of it.

Here's a for instance locally: There was a proposed coal loading facility to be sited at the port of the town where I live, it never happened mostly because the tree huggers in Eugene protested the fact that the coal trains would have to move through their town and thousands would die and the earth would shrivel if a speck of coal dust blew off the cars. They don't want coal burned anywhere, not here and not exported, simple as that. Could have been lots of good jobs, money for the port, city, state, railroad, but nope can't have that.

Yeah, I don't know if that's the fire, but I read were they burned a couple vehicles to block a bridge and now the bridge may be unsafe due to the heat damage.

One gal just about got her arm blown off, they claimed it was the police using concussion grenades which sounds kinda fishy, turns out there were a couple other people with her and the investigators found several small propane cylinders nearby which looked like they had been rigged as explosive devices. Peaceful protest.

 

[fast_st]

Need that german pipe rammer that'll drive the pipe from one end, scale it up so it can push all the way across, maybe a mini TBM, go down 20 feet, nothing buried down there.

But yes, this has been in the news for years, back then was the time to protest, not when its banging at your front door, make some agreement, adjust the route if need be and lets get the job done.

 

[Cmark]

 

[thrashingcows]

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Ain't that the truth!

 

[Former Wrench]

I am not opposed to the pipeline. It seems snowflake generation has another poster-child issue to cling to and the rest of the world just doesn't understand. Personally I think pipeline transmission are so much safer than truck or rail that there is not a question of what is best.

When I hear the argument that the pipe could leak and pollute drinking water I key on "could." Space junk could fall from the sky and bean your brains out too but I am not going to protest modern communication systems because of that. There are enough real problems to protest other than trying to make something out of this project. Dig the hole, weld the pipe, bury it and be done with it.

 

[RBMcCloskey]

This is about money and only money, follow the money.

Chief Wantmu Hiscut need walking away money, then everything Okie Dokey...

 

[td25c]

It sure looks cold at the camp site .

https://www.facebook.com/Indigenousrisingmedia/videos/1534876746529146/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE


Don't think I'll be able to attend .

 

[Hobbytime]

those are the same idiot libs protesting president trump...they are brainwashed beyond belief...

 

[Junkyard]

I find all the protests interesting. Well actually I laugh my a$$ of at those morons. They are clueless as to what it takes to keep things going in this country as well as how much was done long before they came along and what will be done long after. Being in oil field country and Indian as well I can all but garauntee you they'd accept it with open arms. Hell Cushing, OK claims to be the pipeline crossroads of America. If the protest stayed peaceful I'd say use very limited force. The force used is pretty much in proportion to the crap they pulled if not less. I think a serious show of force, just the manpower and implied intent to use said manpower might make them think twice. But then again that assumes they have brains and are of modest intelligence. One thing is for sure, they'll be freezing their tails off soon enough! Maybe a gunship hovering over the pipeline crew? Drones making deferent flights like the old SAC Cold War stuff my old man was a part of? Too much?

Sad thing is all kinds of laws have been broken by protesters but I doubt there will be any serious consequences. Pipeline company is doing things by the book and suffers millions in loss. I just don't get it.

Junkyard

 

[digger242j]

I appreciate Shimmy making the specific point about our rule regarding political discussion.

To refresh everyone's memory:

No discussion of politics unrelated to the heavy equipment industry should be made. Slanderous references to political beliefs or parties should not be made within these posts, such as flaming lefty, right wing zealot or other similar type label.

Post #14 above is a good example of what's out of bounds.

There won't be another warning.

 

[Shimmy1]

I appreciate Shimmy making the specific point about our rule regarding political discussion.

To refresh everyone's memory:



Post #14 above is a good example of what's out of bounds.

There won't be another warning.

Hopefully there isn't a protestor masquerading on here. I'm sure that's what will screw this up, someone with an axe to grind will throw something atrocious up and give you no choice but to shut it down. I was kind of hoping for more response about the general feeling in other member's areas instead of personal opinions. This thing seems to have gotten traction beyond belief nationwide, and the rioters care nothing about
facts, only about agenda.

 

[digger242j]

I'm sure that's what will screw this up, someone with an axe to grind will throw something atrocious up and give you no choice but to shut it down.

Well, there's always the choice of deleting that post and then banning the offending party. Just sayin...

 

[Shimmy1]

Well, there's always the choice of deleting that post and then banning the offending party. Just sayin...

:beerchug

 

[Knepptune]

I don't think it's the pipeline specifically. I think my generation just likes to protest. So far we've occupied Wall Street, cried about student loans, and now standing rock is the cool thing to protest. At some point I may have to get involved in a protest of some sort to see if it's actually that much fun.

Really the time to protest is when your making the deal. If it's not a big deal when your planning it you can't protest it once the work has started.