Help estimating pool demo

[monster76]

Mind you for permits i ussually request them and pull them but just have the customer pay it directly since we can request the permits online most of the time but if i physically have to walk in and submit it they are going to pay for it

 

[CM1995]

How in depth does the plan need to be? Does it need an engineer's stamp? I don't know about where you are, but around here roll offs are brutal. Good luck getting them to drop off a 30, bring back a 10, swap, dump, and come back to get the 10 all before the end of the day. What about fill and grading? You have to rent machines? What is site access like? I think your a little low. That would go for $3,000 at least all day long around here. And that's using a triaxle for disposal.

My estimate:

Plot plan - RFI
Permit - $100 ($50 plus your time)
Concrete disposal - $300
Trash disposal - $300
20 yards of fill - $100
1 day Triaxle rental - $720
1 day Bobcat rental - $800
1 day Excavator rental - $800
Total - $3,120

Where is your profit, overhead and mobilization?

 

[straightexhaust]

Last pool i did here is how i broke it down

backhoe 600 per day
top soil 350x2
fill 150x4
labor 200
compactor 350
skid steer 500x2
1500 for sod installed i sub that out

Thats how i came.up.with the 5k number thats how i broke it down

How much do you set aside for overhead out of the machine charges?

Right now I work mine as $90/hr for machine time with a 4 hour minimum. The breakdown is $35/hr going in my pocket and the remaining $55/hr going towards fuel, maintenance and then the rest for machine replacement cost. This is how I have been estimating work, asside from expenses I base my estimates of of how many machine hours I will have.

 

[Jim15]

Where is your profit, overhead and mobilization?

That was just an idea of direct costs. Fill is free, we usually don't handle the planning and permitting process, and concrete and trash disposal is a little high so there's some profit there. We used to demo a lot of pools for a local pool contractor, but that's dried up. We still do a few a year. Our usual bid on a pool this size is $3,500. So that leaves about 17% for profit and overhead margin. Mobilization for our small stuff is usually just figured in on the day rate unless we go outside of a 30 minute radius, then we'll charge accordingly.

 

[CM1995]

How much do you set aside for overhead out of the machine charges?

For hard bid jobs I add profit and overhead as a separate line item on top of equipment, materials and labor costs.

So this is how I do it -

Skid 10 hrs X $80 per = $800
D5G 10 hrs X $100 per = $1000

SubTotal $1800
Profit 10% $180
OH 2% $36
Mob. 2 each $400

Total bid $2416

Those numbers are just for example.

 

[straightexhaust]

I appreciate all the help from you guys on here. If I get the job this summer I will be sure to update the thread with pictures, final price and how it all went.

 

[Aliate]

I don't know how you guys charge so little and make money. Running a business is expensive. I charge twice that amount for sidewalk remove and replace.

 

[tuney443]

That was just an idea of direct costs. Fill is free, we usually don't handle the planning and permitting process, and concrete and trash disposal is a little high so there's some profit there. We used to demo a lot of pools for a local pool contractor, but that's dried up. We still do a few a year. Our usual bid on a pool this size is $3,500. So that leaves about 17% for profit and overhead margin. Mobilization for our small stuff is usually just figured in on the day rate unless we go outside of a 30 minute radius, then we'll charge accordingly.

''FILL IS FREE''.You might get the product ''free'',but you still have to truck it don't you?Notwithstanding that,why would you not add the going rate cost into your figuring in the first place????????You can discount it some but to just give it away free,the same price as you paid is crazy IMHO.I for one am definitely not afraid of making money.

 

[monster76]

The problem is other guys here undercut so much it aint funny had a guy just now walk up to a jobsite and talk to the pm that he has a backhoe like mine and charges 45 an hour. i told the pm you get what you pay for. I told him Good luck wait till he hit the first pipe he finds in the ground or just dang on takes for ever to do any little job you guy will miss me especially since he probably does not have insurance

 

[Dickjr.]

"Fill is free". I have learned that nothing is free. There is always something attached. At the same time , the home owner , most generally will lie or if not a lie will miss inform you as well. That pool most likely has a type I mix in the bottom of it resulting in a 2500lb concrete base. I have never seen an in ground pool with sand in the deep end. I have dug several and help build them. It is possible that the bottom of the galvanized sides are set in concrete. They are supposed to be. The pool looks like any other in ground kit but they put the top 42" or there abouts above ground for some reason. Could be setting on solid rock. The main thing , don't cut yourself short , it sucks to feel like your working for nothing, I know I have done it the last three days.

 

[CM1995]

The problem is other guys here undercut so much it aint funny had a guy just now walk up to a jobsite and talk to the pm that he has a backhoe like mine and charges 45 an hour. i told the pm you get what you pay for. I told him Good luck wait till he hit the first pipe he finds in the ground or just dang on takes for ever to do any little job you guy will miss me especially since he probably does not have insurance

No doubt they'll get what they pay for at $45 per hour, that's crazy. You're right there is no way he can operate at that rate and have a $1M liability insurance policy.

 

[monster76]

The roblem with miami is every body has a "hook up" people running around with stolen equipment, using stolen fuel, fake insurance documents etc....

 

[Jim15]

''FILL IS FREE''.You might get the product ''free'',but you still have to truck it don't you?Notwithstanding that,why would you not add the going rate cost into your figuring in the first place????????You can discount it some but to just give it away free,the same price as you paid is crazy IMHO.I for one am definitely not afraid of making money.

If you actually looked before commenting I have a truck in there for the day. Also, people are always looking for a dump site. If we don't have another job with fill coming off it, 1 call will get you a load of fill, and the job it's coming from 9 times out of 10 is paying for it.

For the second time, these were rough costs. This isn't my job, I didn't look at the site, and don't plan on it.

 

[Jim15]

I don't know how you guys charge so little and make money. Running a business is expensive. I charge twice that amount for sidewalk remove and replace.

I may be blind, but where exactly is the sidewalk pictured above that is being "removed and replaced"? We do plenty of flatwork removal every year for a couple local GC's. Bobcat E42 with a 30" severe duty bucket or hammer is $100 to $120 an hour, S185/T190 with a bucket is $100/hr, and 2 yard loader is $140 hr, they take care of trucking and new flat work. Going rate is $4 to $5 a s.f. for removal

 

[tuney443]

If you actually looked before commenting I have a truck in there for the day. Also, people are always looking for a dump site. If we don't have another job with fill coming off it, 1 call will get you a load of fill, and the job it's coming from 9 times out of 10 is paying for it.

For the second time, these were rough costs. This isn't my job, I didn't look at the site, and don't plan on it.

Sorry,didn't go back far enough regarding the trucking.Regarding fill,it is a very unique commodity.Either you have a surplus on your jobsite that you have to move ASAP and now it's a huge liability so you might offer it for free to other contractors to pick up or worse,you might end up paying to have it removed.Then there are times when you get paid to remove it and can sell it on the other end.99.9999% of the time I find the latter.Supply and demand at it's greatest.

 

[Aliate]

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[Jim15]

Sorry,didn't go back far enough regarding the trucking.Regarding fill,it is a very unique commodity.Either you have a surplus on your jobsite that you have to move ASAP and now it's a huge liability so you might offer it for free to other contractors to pick up or worse,you might end up paying to have it removed.Then there are times when you get paid to remove it and can sell it on the other end.99.9999% of the time I find the latter.Supply and demand at it's greatest.

We obviously always charge for trucking and disposal of a job has excess fill to get rid of. We put a little bit on top of the trucking, but hire it out unless it's a short distance, then we'll do it with our 6 wheeler. The price we charge for disposal obviously depends on whether its a free dump or we're paying. For regular fill we try to get $5/yd on each end.