TrentNz
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oh flash back from the past! we used to have one pretty much similar from memory.
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First generation hydraulic excavators?
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oh flash back from the past! we used to have one pretty much similar from memory.
Cat_man320
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I'm in Newfoundland
skadill
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Scrub Puller
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Yair . . . Back to the future. This interesting thread raises some points I have raised elsewhere . . . and no one commented.
So here goes again. . . If you had one of these early non electronic gear-pump machines in 'as new' condition and lined it up with its modern equivalent baling into trucks how far ahead would the modern machine be after ten hours . . . and one thousand hours?
I did a bit of time on early Kato's and apart from eventual issues with the chain-drive walking gear I remember few issues. They were simple strong machines although, in rough going the sticks developed cracks which Kato fixed.
I'm not too interested in comments about creature comforts and 'operator friendly' layouts and controls . . . LOL
Cheers.
So here goes again. . . If you had one of these early non electronic gear-pump machines in 'as new' condition and lined it up with its modern equivalent baling into trucks how far ahead would the modern machine be after ten hours . . . and one thousand hours?
I did a bit of time on early Kato's and apart from eventual issues with the chain-drive walking gear I remember few issues. They were simple strong machines although, in rough going the sticks developed cracks which Kato fixed.
I'm not too interested in comments about creature comforts and 'operator friendly' layouts and controls . . . LOL
Cheers.
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spitzair
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Yair... Scrub Puller, From my limited experience there's no comparison, the modern machine would be way ahead of the ancient equivalent. I keep wanting to take some video of my Hein Werner in operation but just don't have the time to do so, and when I do it's usually pouring rain or I can't find a volunteer to run the camera, etc... There's no question the Hein Werner is slower than a modern machine, especially walking to where it needs to go, it literally crawls along at a snail's pace... I'm pretty sure though that the Hein Werner will still be operational many years from now and as long as I can get the engine to turn over it will run. In fact, the entire electrical system on it is shot, all it has that works is a wire from the battery to the starter and a button right on the solenoid, everything else is just along for the ride now. I will be rewiring the machine soon, again I just need to find the time... Cheers, and hope this is kinda what you were looking for...
spitzair
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mitch504
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Scrub, I think the current machine would probably walk off and leave a '70s machine, But, I run a '90 Cat 215cLC. The only necessary wiring on the machine runs the starter and alternator. It will run right with a Cat 320.
One major difference in old and new hoes is that for a given physical size, the newer machine will have much higher horsepower. As you know, horsepower doesn't determine what you can do, it determines how fast you can do it.
One major difference in old and new hoes is that for a given physical size, the newer machine will have much higher horsepower. As you know, horsepower doesn't determine what you can do, it determines how fast you can do it.
Scrub Puller
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Yair . . . Gotcha mitch504
Well said. I reckon that is a defining statement.
A couple of old excavator blokes I have spoken to here reckon the biggest differences were in the actual walking ability and agility of the newer gear.
Thanks for response and cheers.
Well said. I reckon that is a defining statement.
A couple of old excavator blokes I have spoken to here reckon the biggest differences were in the actual walking ability and agility of the newer gear.
Thanks for response and cheers.
mitch504
Senior Member
I just thought I'd throw in a couple pics of my kitty, I guess she'd be a 2nd generation hoe. She still works full time, and I have no plans to trade her in for a box of transistors anytime soon.
Scrub Puller
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Yair . . . mitch504 She looks a real tidy machine mate.
Whats that unusual dome shaped silo in the background? Never seen anything like that before.
Cheers
Whats that unusual dome shaped silo in the background? Never seen anything like that before.
Cheers
mitch504
Senior Member
Scrub, that is a salt dome, they bring salt in by ship and load it out onto trucks and rail.
JB, she's got almost 11,000; I've put about 6000 of that on her since 2004, operating her myself about 85% of the time.
The only thing I've done to the hydraulics is repack a couple of cylinders. When I got her she had a tiny water leak, (quart a month, or so) and after running 4 years, it suddenly got much worse. I replaced a cracked head and all 4 injectors since neither I nor the Cat dealer could get them out. Other than that, the only major repair was to replace the swing drive gearbox, but that was broken by a man I thought I had trained to be an operator, totally not the machines fault.
JB, she's got almost 11,000; I've put about 6000 of that on her since 2004, operating her myself about 85% of the time.
The only thing I've done to the hydraulics is repack a couple of cylinders. When I got her she had a tiny water leak, (quart a month, or so) and after running 4 years, it suddenly got much worse. I replaced a cracked head and all 4 injectors since neither I nor the Cat dealer could get them out. Other than that, the only major repair was to replace the swing drive gearbox, but that was broken by a man I thought I had trained to be an operator, totally not the machines fault.
skadill
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TrentNz
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I reckon a new UH series Hitachi would keep up with todays machines..
Cat_man320
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I would like to own a new UH081 . Compare the undercarrage of an Hitachi to the new ones or Cats or any other comparative machine . My 081 could dig with my new 320 and was a heavier machine all around The Hino and of course the Izuzu are two of the best diesels ever built for this application ....half the fuel , start up in the coldest conditions are are trouble free(my opinion)
I still own a UH122 that I have in my quarry. Its built like a tank
I still own a UH122 that I have in my quarry. Its built like a tank
Permafrost-ed
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We have one of the last UH-07 models made. Its rounding 17,000hrs and spends its winters stationary frozen solid in the Yukon winters and in the summer it digs in tough conditions (permafrost). Its always the easiest machine to start up in the spring! Its seen all its routine maintenance throughout its life and has never let us down. Great old machine.
