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3 things to know to operate

Dozer575

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There are 3 very important things to know, to be an operator.
How many know what they are? If a person lacks anyone of them, they are not an operator.
 

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I'm guessing that one of them has something to do with high tracks being bad....am I right?

Brian
 

Orchard Ex

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1) Hot is on the left
2) Cold is on the right
3) Payday is on Friday

Wait, that's the plumber's exam... :beatsme

I've never been mistaken for an operator anyway:(
 

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And I was going to say starting time,lunch time and quitting time.
Can't wait to find out what it is.I know,I know,if I was an operator I would know,right?Ron G
 

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Forward, reverse, up and down. Or is that 4 things?
 

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Wear hearing protection, be very careful getting on and off, run smooth and steady.
 

Dozer575

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1 You have to know how to run the machine.
Meaning you need to know what all the levers do, how to make it move and function go forward and backwards turning, implement and GET use etc.

2 You have to know how to work the machine.
Meaning how to make it work and load it etc. Like if its a dozer how to keep that blade busy doing its job with a load of what ever, or doing what ever is required at the time. And extracting the horse power in a usefull way not wasting a bunch of time etc.

3 You have to know the show.
Meaning after the machine is off loaded from the lowboy, and sitting there you know how to attack the job, and what to do. How to strip, cutnfill, grade, bench, slope, or how to go about doing the clearing etc.

With out those 3 things an operator is not.
 

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Sure whatever I think all you need to be is smarter then the dirt and you will be a ok.:D
 

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1 You have to know how to run the machine.
Meaning you need to know what all the levers do, how to make it move and function go forward and backwards turning, implement and GET use etc.

2 You have to know how to work the machine.
Meaning how to make it work and load it etc. Like if its a dozer how to keep that blade busy doing its job with a load of what ever, or doing what ever is required at the time. And extracting the horse power in a usefull way not wasting a bunch of time etc.

3 You have to know the show.
Meaning after the machine is off loaded from the lowboy, and sitting there you know how to attack the job, and what to do. How to strip, cutnfill, grade, bench, slope, or how to go about doing the clearing etc.

With out those 3 things an operator is not.

Getting back to seriously addressing this...

I agree, sort of.

I've often said that you could teach a monkey to actually run the machine--the manipulation of the controls to produce movement is the easy part.

Number two, I agree with 100%. I've expressed it this way--Once you've mastered knowing how the machine acts (your number one), you have to learn how the dirt acts. It all about how the cutting edge meets the material, and where it goes from there.

The third one, is important, and I see your point. I had a person one time make the distinction between somebody who could run a machine, and an "operator". There are guys who know the first two, but the only way they get by is with somebody else telling them how to do the third part.
 

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#4 Utilizing the machine without beating the crap out of it.

Example: Not running over rocks, not spinning the tracks and coming to a complete stop before reversing directions.
 

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How about using your berms, I've seen guys skip all over the cut not knowing to stay in the same pass until the berms ger 4ft high to hold the material in. You can spot a real dozer hand by his berms. DP
 

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How about using your berms, I've seen guys skip all over the cut not knowing to stay in the same pass until the berms ger 4ft high to hold the material in. You can spot a real dozer hand by his berms. DP

That fits into the #2 deal. What that is, is someone that wants to make it look cute instead of doing the job, or like you say just does't know how to do it. And some of it is a stupid boss wanting it to look cute too. As the saying goes there is more than one way to skin a cat, and if your not doing it the way the boss does it or thinks it is supposed to be done then your the idiot. Any time Ive been dozing I keep saying to myself, just leave, and come back and critique it after I'm finished. With dirt work and clearing, the time to make it pretty is when your done. Making it pretty as you are attempting the job, is a waste of fuel and time. What PO's me is I've come on a job and others are just piddling and after watchine me, then they start doing the job, I don't like training others like that. The one I liked the best is a guy I called high gear, he had to be in top gears all the time. And of course not pushing a big load, he looked like he was getting something done fast. Maybe wearing out the tracks faster.
 

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Dozer575. for the first time i totally agree with you, as a business owner and a foreman at times for a different company, I have seen all to much of that revovling door syndrome on big jobsites. Hire a guy that says he knows what he is doin, and ending up having to train him all over again.

One guy once told him he run cat for 5 years. I hired him, got him on site. Asked him if he ever run a D8H before... He said "Man I was pretty much born on one, So i said well go get #3 warmed up. I was in the job trailer doin some paper work and about 20 mins later he comes in and says "the damn thing won't start" Puzzled i walked over to it and checked it out. I asked if he knew where the master switch was, The damn moroun didn't have the master on because he couldn't find it.............. He still pulls a sheepfoot for us in the summertimes hahaha.

Nothing PO's me more thow than guys that are told to do one thing, start doin it, then 10 minutes later they are off doin something else. Or having to constantly show guys what to do, when thier common sense should just kick in without me having to get on the radio, or drive over and tell them.

I love it when I have a smaller jobsite, 10 or less machines and we have all our best operators that know how make things work. Like a well oiled machine..... quite often then we can get another machine lowbedded in so i can run something too, rather than baby sitting all day.
 

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Dozer575. for the first time i totally agree with you, as a business owner and a foreman at times for a different company, I have seen all to much of that revovling door syndrome on big jobsites. Hire a guy that says he knows what he is doin, and ending up having to train him all over again.

One guy once told him he run cat for 5 years. I hired him, got him on site. Asked him if he ever run a D8H before... He said "Man I was pretty much born on one,

Reminds me of something I did about 7 years ago.

I get called out to run a excavator for a contractor. Once I arrive on the job, I find the foreman and give him my clearance. He asks if I know how to run an excavator?
Wanting to make a good first impression,
I look him in the eye and say, " you mean one of those scoopy things?" :beatsme
His jaw drooped to the ground. :falldownlaugh
7 years later, I'm still working for the same company.
:cool2
 

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Reminds me of something I did about 7 years ago.

I get called out to run a excavator for a contractor. Once I arrive on the job, I find the foreman and give him my clearance. He asks if I know how to run an excavator?
Wanting to make a good first impression,
I look him in the eye and say, " you mean one of those scoopy things?" :beatsme
His jaw drooped to the ground. :falldownlaugh
7 years later, I'm still working for the same company.
:cool2


thats great :)
 

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And # 5 would be an offshoot of Murphy's Law---Don't ''step'' in anything soft---usually not a good thing.
 
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