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MetalDragon_boy

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Hello!

I was reading afew of all the working brochures I have on my computer the other day and in the brochure of the Bucyrus 795 mining shovel and I noticed something I havent seen before..

In the list of the machines benefits it says this:

  • 4-pass load capabillity for the next generation of 500ton (453.6 tonne) haul trucks.

Has anyone some more info on this? I have started a thread about the new Komatsu 960E truck. Could it be one of the new generation trucks?
 

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500 ton trucks

saw a Komatsu 960 and i believe it was only a 360 ton truck. Cat mechanic told me cat will come out with an 500 ton AC drive truck as soon as they develop tires that would hold up
 

MetalDragon_boy

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Interesting! Thanks for the info!!

A 500ton truck must be huge!!!
 

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Cat mechanic told me cat will come out with an 500 ton AC drive truck as soon as they develop tires that would hold up

Don't hold your breath on this one. It is already common knowledge Cat is working on an A/C truck, but 500 tons is a stretch.
Tires have always been a limiting factor for any truck. The largest mine trucks (without payload indicators) that are spot checked for weight consistently weigh in with 400-440 ton loads, despite truck ratings of 350-380. The reason the trucks are rated lower? Tires. Tire manufacturers do not want to invest in the research and infrastructure to make tires capable of greater loads, due to the risk involved with periods of downtime in the truck industry (that's a lot of money sitting there not making tires).

The point? Larger trucks today are capable or nearly capable of handling 400+ tons. Tires are not. I do not believe the market will see a truck, electrical or mechanical, RATED for 500 tons until heavy equipment manufacturers pony up and subsidize the tire technology.
 

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Activeorpassive, You have supplied some good info and made some good points in this post and others :thumbsup . May I go as far as to ask what line of work you're in?
 

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Here's a couple of pics of the A/C Drive 797 Test Truck, I believe it's due for release at MinExpo next year, The word around is an electric or mechanical option for 793 & 797 trucks, and a model in between the two perhaps? Be interesting to see!
 

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The largest mine trucks (without payload indicators) that are spot checked for weight consistently weigh in with 400-440 ton loads, despite truck ratings of 350-380. The reason the trucks are rated lower? Tires.

Consistently overloaded trucks also have a big long term impact on frames, suspensions and braking systems activeorpasssive...
 

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Consistently overloaded trucks also have a big long term impact on frames, suspensions and braking systems activeorpasssive...

Some more examples....
 

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Consistently overloaded trucks also have a big long term impact on frames, suspensions and braking systems activeorpasssive...

I wouldn't disagree with that so I'll rephrase to say "ONE of the reasons trucks are rated lower..."
 

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Hi, Wulf, Cat Dr and Activeorpassive.
I think it is a pretty safe bet that those front wheels didn't come off like that because of tyres. My guess is a serious mechanical failure that was left neglected and untreated for some little time. This same mechanical failure results in many unfortunte incidents around mining and construction sites. For such an apparently insignificant thing, it can have absolutely disastrous consequences.

I'm speaking of the loose nut holding the steering wheel.

Now, how to remedy this situation. I think the 'paymaster's shotgun' is the ONLY remedy in some cases. In others, more rigourous and on-going training may help. Better supervision is also needed and in many cases company policy needs to change, sometimes drastically.

F'rinstance, I know of a quarry near here where there is a grade of around 12% from the upper levels to the crusher feeder. Company dump truck drivers are permitted to descend this grade in 32 ton capacity dump trucks loaded to 40 tons at up to around 35 kilometres per hour, approximately 21 miles per hour. If there is some long-term wisdom in that policy, it escapes me.

I might add that the dump truck manufacturer has permitted 40 ton loading without voiding warranty but recommended a maximum speed down that grade of 30 kilometres per hour - about 17-18 miles per hour - with the trucks loaded to 40 tons and I'll bet that sometimes they are exceeding 40 kmh - about 25 mph. And the drivers tell me that the retarders in those trucks will overheat trying to keep them down to 30 kmh on that grade. Go figure. I'd have thought a lower gear selected at the top of the grade might have had some beneficial effect, say about second gear and 15 kmh. I know it works for me. But I'm only a mug plant operator.

So, any suggestions????????
 
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My guess is Tigerotor is roughly 85 miles away from being correct.:)

Really... very interesting. AB, then, and Dozerboy was spot on the first time? If you have time, do you want to chat sometime? Or perhaps you already know who I am.

gmnstrunr37[at@at]yahoo[.dot.]com (normal symbols in place of the brackets)
 

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Overloaded trucks is probably a very common thing in mines. Time is money and the more mountain you move in less time the more money you make.

Although if you look at the maintenance costs for the machines they probably wont make that much more money.


I have never had anything to do with mining/quarry equipment but I have some experience in the heavy duty steel mill machines. In our local steel mill they use the German Mafi MT45 tractors and Scheuerle trailers rated to load about 150-180 metric tons. They load about 200-210 metric tons on the trailers from time to time and drive in a speed of about 30-40km/h.

In German steel mills they drive max 15km/h and they have much less maintenance costs.

Over one summer they spended some 500.000-600.000SEK on tiers for the trailers only... (that is about 70.500-85.000USD)
 
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