20,000 lb. behind a pickup safe?

[Aliate]

Not true BuckO. :cool2

Im almost positive it says it right in the CDL book, unless for some reason the laws are different in NY, but I think CDL laws are the same across the country


"Class A CDL: Vehicle Weight (lbs.): 26,000+, Towing Weight: 10,001+, Passenger Requirement: N/A"

I just checked online and if the total GVWR is over 26,000lbs you need a Class A, Im not sure of anything that you can tow 10000lbs with and not be over 26,000lb GVWR

 

[KSSS]

Maybe it's different in other places, in comi-fornia you need a non-commercial class A. I don't know anyone one that has one, or what the difference is, but it's listed in the book.

I might be wrong but I think that designation is for people pulling huge travel trailers and fifth wheel RVs. Might even apply to the larger motorhomes.


Honestly I think its a good idea. I live about 90 miles from Yellowstone Park. Nothing like seeing an 80 year old guy pulling 40 foot of fifth wheel with a regular license and I need a CDL to pull any trailer over 10K. Normally the less intrusive the better, but in this case I think its due.

 

[Diggedirt]

KSSS, The motorhome comment reminds me of someone (may have been here) that was bothered by the fact that the RV crowd can cruise past the DOT checks and scales. He said something about buying an older RV and gutting it out and making the rear a flip down ramp so he could haul his skid inside and bypass all the DOT junk. I thought is was a great idea. I just imagine the look on a customers face when the rear opens and a skid cruises out. Think of the additional advantages; if you did it right you would always have a restroom and a comfy place to have lunch.
If anyone does it post some pics!

 

[Speedpup]

Im almost positive it says it right in the CDL book, unless for some reason the laws are different in NY, but I think CDL laws are the same across the country


"Class A CDL: Vehicle Weight (lbs.): 26,000+, Towing Weight: 10,001+, Passenger Requirement: N/A"

I just checked online and if the total GVWR is over 26,000lbs you need a Class A, Im not sure of anything that you can tow 10000lbs with and not be over 26,000lb GVWR

plenty of pickups my 01 Dodge can tow 11000 lb
That is why all the car trailer are sold at 9999 even ones that haul two cars and are 40' long.

 

[jimmyjack]

Im almost positive it says it right in the CDL book, unless for some reason the laws are different in NY, but I think CDL laws are the same across the country


"Class A CDL: Vehicle Weight (lbs.): 26,000+, Towing Weight: 10,001+, Passenger Requirement: N/A"

I just checked online and if the total GVWR is over 26,000lbs you need a Class A, Im not sure of anything that you can tow 10000lbs with and not be over 26,000lb GVWR

i think your getting gross VEHICLE weight rating vs gross COMBINED weight rating is two different things

CDL requirements BEGIN at 26,001 lbs but gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) on the trailer will determine whether you need a Class A or Class B CDL. The GVWR of the trailer must be 10,001 lbs or more to fall under Class A CDL.

Example 1: Truck GVWR 11,000 lbs. + Trailer GVWR 13,000 lbs. = GCWR 24,000 lbs. - NO CDL required

Example 2 : Truck GVWR 11,000 lbs. + Trailer GVWR 15,500 lbs. = GCWR 26,500 lbs. - Class A CDL required

Example 3: Straight Truck GVWR 28,000 lbs. = GCWR 28,000 lbs. - Class B CDL required


or
Example 1: (truck)GVWR 11,000 lbs. + (trailer)GVWR 9,800 lbs. = GCWR 20,800 lbs. NO CDL required {11,000 + 9,800 = 20,800 lbs}

Example 2 : (truck) GVWR 11,000 lbs. + (trailer) GVWR 15,001 lbs. = GCWR 26,001 lbs. Class A CDL required {11,000 + 15,001 = 26,001 lbs.}

Example 3 truck) GVWR 17,000 lbs. + (trailer) GVWR 10,000 lbs. = GCWR 27,000 lbs. NO CDL required {17,000 + 10,000 = 27,000 lbs}
(The GCWR is over 26,000 lbs., but the trailer is under 10,001 lbs.)

Important number to watch is the number 1 at the end 10,001 lbs & 26,001 lbs. That 1 lb makes all the difference.

GCWR : Gross Combination Weight Rating (truck + trailer)


hope that clears things up

 

[Aliate]

plenty of pickups my 01 Dodge can tow 11000 lb
That is why all the car trailer are sold at 9999 even ones that haul two cars and are 40' long.

Yeah that part I wasnt sure about, but so then I am right about the fact that you cannot tow anything over 10,000lbs without a class A CDL.

 

[Aliate]

i think your getting gross VEHICLE weight rating vs gross COMBINED weight rating is two different things

CDL requirements BEGIN at 26,001 lbs but gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) on the trailer will determine whether you need a Class A or Class B CDL. The GVWR of the trailer must be 10,001 lbs or more to fall under Class A CDL.

Example 1: Truck GVWR 11,000 lbs. + Trailer GVWR 13,000 lbs. = GCWR 24,000 lbs. - NO CDL required

Example 2 : Truck GVWR 11,000 lbs. + Trailer GVWR 15,500 lbs. = GCWR 26,500 lbs. - Class A CDL required

Example 3: Straight Truck GVWR 28,000 lbs. = GCWR 28,000 lbs. - Class B CDL required


or
Example 1: (truck)GVWR 11,000 lbs. + (trailer)GVWR 9,800 lbs. = GCWR 20,800 lbs. NO CDL required {11,000 + 9,800 = 20,800 lbs}

Example 2 : (truck) GVWR 11,000 lbs. + (trailer) GVWR 15,001 lbs. = GCWR 26,001 lbs. Class A CDL required {11,000 + 15,001 = 26,001 lbs.}

Example 3 truck) GVWR 17,000 lbs. + (trailer) GVWR 10,000 lbs. = GCWR 27,000 lbs. NO CDL required {17,000 + 10,000 = 27,000 lbs}
(The GCWR is over 26,000 lbs., but the trailer is under 10,001 lbs.)

Important number to watch is the number 1 at the end 10,001 lbs & 26,001 lbs. That 1 lb makes all the difference.

GCWR : Gross Combination Weight Rating (truck + trailer)


hope that clears things up

Alright that somewhat clears things up but its really confusing lol

Also since you seem you know a lot about the GVWR and GCWR's, does towing a tandem trailer on a single axle dump add to the rating of the dump truck? Like I know with a tri axle you cannot load the tri axle and pull a backhoe because that puts you over a 80,000lb GCWR, but if you have a single axle dump rated at 33,000lb, can you load the truck and tow a backhoe since that wouldnt put you over 80,000lb GCWR being that 80k is the max for a truck/trailer combo without some sort of overweight permit?

 

[jimmyjack]

it basically means it would be hard to tow 20000#s and with a one ton seeing how most weight more then 6000#s .......i think in some states there loop holes you can get around , i think thats how guys like dirtysouth was towing all kinds of stuff with a chevy one ton , if he sees this maybe he could clear a couple things up about hauling with a one ton

 

[jimmyjack]

Alright that somewhat clears things up but its really confusing lol

Also since you seem you know a lot about the GVWR and GCWR's, does towing a tandem trailer on a single axle dump add to the rating of the dump truck? Like I know with a tri axle you cannot load the tri axle and pull a backhoe because that puts you over a 80,000lb GCWR, but if you have a single axle dump rated at 33,000lb, can you load the truck and tow a backhoe since that wouldnt put you over 80,000lb GCWR being that 80k is the max for a truck/trailer combo without some sort of overweight permit?

its funny u bring that up cause ive done that a few times , like the tri axle i drove had a gvw of 76650 , which was 24 ton of asphalt , then i would haul the trailer to the job with the paver and 5 ton roller on it , or fully loaded with gravel towing the cat 315 (well over 100,000gvw) ..........anyway basically what your asking is what like a 10ton or 20 ton tag behind a single axle ? you'd need a class A cause your GCWR would be over the 26001 #s plus most trailers that heavy have air brakes which is a whole other can of worms in this CDL thing

 

[td25c]

I dont see any info or specs on the new GMC that is rated to pull 20,000 lbs. on GM's website.They do show a Sierra 3500 HD rated for 16,500 lbs. http://gmc.com/sierra/index.jsp I'm sure if GMC builds a truck and rates it for 20,000 lbs.,then it will handel 20,000 lbs.These new heavy dutys aint little pickups.

 

[Speedpup]

i dont see any info or specs on the new gmc that is rated to pull 20,000 lbs. On gm's website.they do show a sierra 3500 hd rated for 16,500 lbs. http://gmc.com/sierra/index.jsp i'm sure if gmc builds a truck and rates it for 20,000 lbs.,then it will handel 20,000 lbs.these new heavy dutys aint little pickups.

2011

see post #12 I pulled the below from article.

The new GMC heavy-duty trucks will provide up to 20,000 pounds towing capacity and up to 6,335 pounds payload capacity.

 

[Speedpup]

Yeah that part I wasnt sure about, but so then I am right about the fact that you cannot tow anything over 10,000lbs without a class A CDL.

not sure but it looks that way.

 

[Speedpup]

it basically means it would be hard to tow 20000#s and with a one ton seeing how most weight more then 6000#s .......i think in some states there loop holes you can get around , i think thats how guys like dirtysouth was towing all kinds of stuff with a chevy one ton , if he sees this maybe he could clear a couple things up about hauling with a one ton

your right my Excursion is 7,xxx pounds

 

[CM1995]

Maybe it's different in other places, in comi-fornia you need a non-commercial class A. I don't know anyone one that has one, or what the difference is, but it's listed in the book.

It is, I should have added that the States can adopt stricter laws but the FMCSA on the Federal level only covers commercial vehicles. The basic guidelines set by FMCSA is the foundation for the State's CDL rules, they can make them tougher just not lessor. In Alabama for instance no CDL for travel trailers, motor homes or other recreational vehicles.

 

[tuney443]

KSSS, The motorhome comment reminds me of someone (may have been here) that was bothered by the fact that the RV crowd can cruise past the DOT checks and scales. He said something about buying an older RV and gutting it out and making the rear a flip down ramp so he could haul his skid inside and bypass all the DOT junk. I thought is was a great idea. I just imagine the look on a customers face when the rear opens and a skid cruises out. Think of the additional advantages; if you did it right you would always have a restroom and a comfy place to have lunch.
If anyone does it post some pics!

That was my gig Diggedirt,but it wouldn't be a skid steer,I hate those tonka toys,it would be my hoe or dozer.If I had the coin to do it,I would in a heartbeat just to screw with them bad boys.

 

[tuney443]

I dont see any info or specs on the new GMC that is rated to pull 20,000 lbs. on GM's website.They do show a Sierra 3500 HD rated for 16,500 lbs. http://gmc.com/sierra/index.jsp I'm sure if GMC builds a truck and rates it for 20,000 lbs.,then it will handel 20,000 lbs.These new heavy dutys aint little pickups.

Exactly,keep in mind GM has always been much more tentative in higher weight ratings across the board vs.Ford and Dodge.This new truck is coming on a completely new build sheet,an all new platform that in many areas is surpassing the others.This isn't a SRW 2500 for this 20K lb. trailering designation as some others have said here.It's for a 3500DRW with the new LML Duramax with a 5th wheel hitch--one serious kick-ass truck.GM would not endorse this if it wasn't tested first and proved completely safe.

 

[td25c]

2011

see post #12 I pulled the below from article.

I clicked the link and it aint available for viewing.Maybe GMC will put the specs on there website in the near future.

 

[tuney443]

Alright that somewhat clears things up but its really confusing lol

Also since you seem you know a lot about the GVWR and GCWR's, does towing a tandem trailer on a single axle dump add to the rating of the dump truck? Like I know with a tri axle you cannot load the tri axle and pull a backhoe because that puts you over a 80,000lb GCWR, but if you have a single axle dump rated at 33,000lb, can you load the truck and tow a backhoe since that wouldnt put you over 80,000lb GCWR being that 80k is the max for a truck/trailer combo without some sort of overweight permit?

No Aliate,you can not load the dump truck and pull a backhoe at the same time.You would most likely have at least 2 strikes against you if you get the privlige of getting on those scales.Your GVW of the truck might be over your 33K GVW because of the 10-15% tongue weight bearing down on the back of the truck plus your box load and the fact that you will be way over the GCWR on the door placard.I think from memory my Chevy 7500 33K GVW has a GCWR of app.43K lbs. Years ago when I was full of **** and vinegar,I did do this a few times and I would never want to do it again because it was plain stupid.

 

[Diggedirt]

Originally posted by Tuney

If I had the coin to do it,I would in a heartbeat just to screw with them bad boys

I like the idea for the ingenuity and for sticking it to the DOT. You would need a serious RV for a dozer or hoe, I'll keep my eye out for one big enough.... j/k
Some of the toy hauler RV's are getting a large enough garage on them...I wonder what the payload capacity is?

 

[Cretebaby]

so then I am right about the fact that you cannot tow anything over 10,000lbs without a class A CDL.

I still don't see how you figure that.

When the combination is over 26k GVWR, if the trailer is over 10k GVWR, then you need a Class A. But not solely because the trailer is over 10k GVWR.