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need advice on buying a telehandler

rustylhurtt

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i bought a v723 bobcat telehandler 4 years ago . last week it was turned over in 6 ft of water the insurance co. totaled it the machine has the aux. hydrallics on the front to run my graple bucket im not very happy with the this machine
i am looking to buy a different brand does any one know who makes a telehandler that has the front aux. hydrallics so i can continue using my graple to load debris i am not wanting to spend over 40k for a used one thanks rusty
 

willie59

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I'm not fond of Bobcat telehandlers myself. I'd say all brands have an aux circuit available, but as an option. You'd have to find one that has that option. Which brand to choose? Everyone has their preference. I'm partial to JLG or Gradall, Lull is right there also. One of my favorite tele handlers is the Gehl 663, built like an anvil, but that's an older model. The later design of that machine is the RS model Gehl. Very good machines, well built, and mechanic friendly. The only thing I kick about Gehl is they are proud of their parts. I know parts for all brands are spendy, but it seems Gehl likes their parts as much as Komatsu does. :eek: Even still, they do make a good telehandler. Just stay away from the DH model Gehl, I'm not a fan of them. ;)
 

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I'd agree with atcoequip, JLG 's are really bulletproof, tough machines. Very simple to work on also. How big of a machine are you looking for? The new jlg/cat 10k and 12k machines are really nice, but they are much larger and heavier than what you have now (I think- I don't know how big bobcat telehandlers are). It does make a difference in getting in tight quarters, and makes a big difference in hauling. I ran a older terex (10k cap?) a while back on the same site as a 8k jlg and the size was a big difference. The 8k jlg was way more nimble and easier to use, it was just a little shorter in reach and capacity, but for 90% of the work you jumped on the jlg before the terex (no one liked that terex). It was on a 3 story building and the jlg wouldn't quite reach the top, but for everything else it got used first. Brick layers love lulls with their travelling carriage, its nice for getting in and out of blocks set up high. A lot of telehandlers have aux hydraulics, I also see where some have remotes for a man platform. You set up the machine, then can step in the man platform and can run the boom up and down. I really also like the machines that have one control for all the functions (joystick and buttons), instead of this three different stick nonsense. I've run too many with hand, mid arm nudges, and elbows, or hooking you're left arm in the wheel and reaching across. Outriggers are a mixed blessing, they really help in stability and give you much more capacity when reaching way out. When reaching out on rubber, you can feel the machine getting light, with the outriggers set, you have no idea until you are really in trouble. I like to put the outriggers most of the way down (1-2" off the ground)on a far reach, that way if it starts to tip, the riggers will catch you, and you know you're most of the way to capacity. All in all I'd go for around a 8-9k capacity, with you're aux hyd. and only buy a bigger one if you have to have that extra capacity. The frame/ wheelbase on the 6k lifts are usually the same as the 8k ones, so the 8k is free extra capacity. Avoid anything with a low mounted boom (actually I think bobcats are?) I detest their visibility. With any load picked up you can't see anything to the right, until you get the boom way up. Hope this helps.
 

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There are mega deals out there now new and used the market is in collapse. I like JLG, Gradall or Lull. Parts are not to bad $$$ wise and they have the parts at 10 am on your doorstep Even for my old Bettys (85-92). Not sure if your grappler will fit other machines as they all seem to have their own system unlike I see in skidsteers where many seem to me to interchangeable.

40 grand you can get a real good machine in the 8-10,000 lb range. I see machines that were 140-150 4 years ago new not pulling 35K

http://www.machinerytrader.com/list...id=1038&GUID=7DD7B1E9463D4772A1A459ADE4E552E7

Landing stuff up high like a mason on a scaffold Lull has no match. Gradall has best visability in reverse and JLG is close second. Lulls seem to hold their value the bast from what I have been seeing online. Some Ebay deals I have seen are just completely crazy give aways but you may not be able to look at them. Got the coin you could not find a better time for deals unless the entire country collapses. Check to see if they have auxillary hydraulics. I am shocked how many do not. Many rental company machines are bare bones no frills models.

I see you are AR so close to CA were the prices seem to be the lowest and tons of Gradalls out there. I almost bought a few but shipping to NY is 6-8K.

What didn't you like on the Bobcat?
 
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rustylhurtt

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thanks both of you for all your info. the downs to my bobcat it had a short reach ive had alot of wiring problems the machine would lock up while moving fixed it then lost power on part of my hydrallics got that fixed and other small things have happened thanks rusty
 

Aero Lift

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Telehandler

JLG would be the best in most applications. SkyTrak has many options and one of them would come with a aux hydraulics. Like previous mentioned there are many great deals out there, just beware of hidden dangers. Also, manufacturers sales are down, so parts are becoming the main source of income for equipment companies. We have many SkyTraks with aux hydraulics and good used parts for sale.
www.AeroLiftusa.com

Good luck
 

Eqman

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I just watched 02 to 06 Gradall telehandlers go at the Ritchie brothers auction for $12,000. So check there website at RBAuction.com. It will list auctions close to you. I buy alot through them. They auction all over the world and are very easy to work with. You can also bid on the internet.
 

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I saw a 2008 944E Lull on ebay with 413 hr for 43,000 that is like 1/2 price in a year. Things are bad.:pointhead
 

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we have several lifts Lulls, Skytraks, Terex. I am all for the JLG products! Lull in particular, just look at the frames and the size of the hydraulics of each machine and you will find Lulls are built like tanks! Parts are easy to come by and there are several rental companies that run them so service is a no brainer. I will say i have heard that the older Cats are good as well.
I am with eqman, go to rbauction.com or lyonauction.com telehandelers are in the toilet right now there are some mind boggling deals out there!
 

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Buy what you can get serviced.

Buy a machine that has good parts availiabilty. I own one that is an awesome machine but parts so far are hard to come by. If you are putting a lot of pressure on the boom with the odd digging etc, then consider jcb because of it's boom strenght and a couple other things about it. If not, go north american because parts and service are easier to come by. I have a Manitou and I might just send it to auction and buy something north american even though it is safe, capable, fuel efficient, quiet, and easy to operate beyond most north american machines. Lots of people talk the Lull up but one thing is the length of the machine could make it harder to get in certain places, at least on the older ones. Also genie, terex are very long.
 

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I demoed a Newholland ag model lm5080. In alot of ways it reminds me of a 723 but with better reach and more breakout. It is marketed more as an ag loader with telehandler capabilities and has the aux hyd. If you want more of a materials handler i really like the lull just for the fact that the carriage extends as well as the boot.
 

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can't beat Lull / JLG for parts even my old 1985 844 Lulls parts the next day or they will make it for you. That can get pricey and it won't happen in a day but cheaper than having an outsider make it. Regular wear ithem you can get in a day. When you buy a machine like a Lull, Skytrak, Gradall their are thousands made and many to salavage from.
 

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New holland telehandlers are made by Manitou. At least they used to be. Kind of like JLG now makes Cat. The colours, controlls and engine might be different but it's the same machine as far as I can tell.
 

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Manitou, Gehl, New Holland

Manitou makes a european machine in france/italy. It has a low boom mount, and no chains (full hydraulic booms). It is made by manitou. Manitou recenently aquired Gehl and now there machines look like Gehl's and more then likely are. The US dollar was in free fall against all other currencies, mainly the euro. That makes US machines cheaper as far as the labour portion on the deal. The steel and some other parts are still sold in U.S. dollars as with most everything else in the world. If you like the gehl buy it. I've had a bad experience with a rental gehl once. Perkins engines are probably the most fuel efficient and quietist of all of them.
 

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Speedpup, Can you tell me the main differences between the Lull 1044C-54 and the 1044C-54 series II?
Thanks
 
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