Wabco scrapers at work

[mmourer]

Major components

mmourer ,
V12 direct coupled to 5965 allision with a 3 gear dropbox ?? back to diff via a short tailshaft , diff being a ( eaton 500 ) ???
did all models have the same power unit or where they the V8`s with smaller g/box`s and diffs ??

Sorry about that -- all the 300 series machines we had were 12V71's up front and rear. Some of the older units (333F's) started life as 12V71N's and later were "upgraded" to turbo units. The description of the gearbox/rear driveline/diff is is indeed similar to that of most scrapers as you describe though I don't recall the number of gears in the unit (insert 10 year memory fade). I was always under the impression this was an in-house WABCO design as well as their touted "traction sensing" differential.

As we were seeking spare parts (in the later years) some of the smaller components were available direct from the OEM manufacturer as well as WABCO but the major components (front drop box, PTO box, rear drop, F&R diff, planetaries) were only available through donor machines or a machine shop we had building new gear sets. We never found an original manufacturer of Eaton, Rockwell or other brand that was a compatible replacement.

Marlow

 

[mmourer]

Load range

Great pictures!!! Unfortunately I only ran one Wabco it was an open bowl, a later one with a steering wheel. A question for any of you who ran Wabco self-loaders. I heard there was a special loading range in the transmission that adjusted your speed to the depth of cut and type of material. Did the elevating scrapers you ran have that? Did it work as advertised?

Yes it definately work as advertised. Both the 333F singles and 333FT/353FT twins had a load position -- LOAD 1 and LOAD 2 (though the singles obviously only had one load postion). On the twins, Load 1 put your front trans in neutral and ran the engine up to the redline while allowing the rear as the only tractive effort (giving maximum elevator and hydraulic power), Load 2 put the trans into a converter mode allowing a reduced forward speed while still maintaining both front and rear traction/drive. Load2 was typically what was used in most conditions unless you were picking up windrows, or in material that allowed enough traction not to bury the rear wheels. For what it's worth, the first few times you popped it into load 1 it would freighten the heck out of you hearing the front engine rev up to the redline (and yes, if you popped it back into gear it was similar to a neutral drop unless you had some momentum).

Marlow

 

[RayC]

353

mmourer...great photos...this topic has just gone to a new level with your input...so many thanks.
One question about the auction of the 353's....did they all move on...and secondly do you know where all the machines ended up.

With the list of Wabcos that the company had surely must rate as one of the largest users of 333 and 353's worldwide?

The person that you most likely spoke to here in NZ regarding the use of elevator chains would have been Stan Goodman...see previous post.

Once again many thanks and I look forward to any more that you may have.

 

[Gord229]

Wabco scrapers

Mmourer those are some really fantastic shots of the "big beasts"! The shots of their mouths full and gobbling more are certainly the best I have ever seen of just how hungry these machines were (and and are for those still lucky enough to be able to run them).

Was Wabco's claim that they could free dig (with teeth) the same dirt a D9 could rip true?

Keep the photos coming!!

Cheers
Gordon

 

[Gord229]

Hi Fourdee

Didn't know you were at home! Have now had the way cleared to post photos so here goes.

The first is my V power C'Pull as I bought and the second is the two loves of my life (wife central). Photos 3 through 5 are of my 229F after being repainted working on the Gungahlin Drive Extension project in Canberra 2007.

 

[mmourer]

wabco scrapers

mmourer...great photos...this topic has just gone to a new level with your input...so many thanks.
One question about the auction of the 353's....did they all move on...and secondly do you know where all the machines ended up.

With the list of Wabcos that the company had surely must rate as one of the largest users of 333 and 353's worldwide?

The person that you most likely spoke to here in NZ regarding the use of elevator chains would have been Stan Goodman...see previous post.

Once again many thanks and I look forward to any more that you may have.

Thanks -- I'll keep looking for any more pictures.
The auction 353's -- 3 went to a Texas buyer 2 went to a buyer near Olympia, Washington (and were resold after the project completed a year'ish later) and the remainder went to a large farmer in Eastern Washington (along with the parts machines, parts vans, 333FT's and other WABCO stuff. I haven't heard from him in years and don't know the current status of the machines. My brother lives in Washington -- I'll see if he knows any news on the old girls.

I don't know if it was Goodman -- I thought it was the fellow who had some 651 tractors (repowered with cummins) mated with 333 bowls.

As far as being the biggest collection of machines under one company, likely yes.

Also -- I did a little digging. Here are a few 252FT's in Southern California -- these are not our machines.

Marlow

 

[mmourer]

wabco scrapers

Mmourer those are some really fantastic shots of the "big beasts"! The shots of their mouths full and gobbling more are certainly the best I have ever seen of just how hungry these machines were (and and are for those still lucky enough to be able to run them).

Was Wabco's claim that they could free dig (with teeth) the same dirt a D9 could rip true?

Keep the photos coming!!

Cheers
Gordon

Gordon -- the glacial tills in the Northwest were indeed quite dense and it was typical to see ripping tractors on (other) sites. However, if you mixed a group of machines with teeth and without teeth the need for a ripper tractor was eliminated -- though you still needed something to move the big floaters out of the cut.

What was a ball on the machines is peeling up roadways -- you could grab an edge of a mat and start to rip it up on your own down to the gravel base layer leaving a smooth pass and stockpile/bury the old asphalt as needed.

Marlow

 

[mmourer]

More Wabcos

More scrapers. Enjoy.

 

[mmourer]

More wabcos

A few more

 

[scraperboy222]

heres a 222H it was ex malasian military there were 2 of these machines imported into australia only had around 3500hrs on the clock.

 

[Dug Overburden]

Also -- I did a little digging. Here are a few 252FT's in Southern California -- these are not our machines.

Marlow[/QUOTE]

I thought I reconized these 252FT' & the White Compact fuel truck behind them (no glass). They belong to Bob Webb, don't know how many runners he has left. Has a bunch of parts machines sitting on El Nopal Rd in Lakeside Ca.

Dug O.

 

[Gord229]

Hey Marlow

Love shots of how to fill up a water cart! That out does anything I have ever seen tried.

I have too say I have never been lucky enough to have a go at one of these big beasts but they certainly look as if they would have been a lot of fun. Certainly far superior to the Cat 639 (only ever seen photos of these as well).

I posted a couple more shots of my 229F under the Wabco Scraper Pics thread.

Below is a shot of a V Power C'Pull here in Canberra. Australia back in 1973-4. The guy operating it taught me the skills of the trade and is avery good friend.

Cheers
Gordon

 

[bonechip]

That looks like an antique show to me.

 

[Gord229]

Hi bonechip, it wasn't at the time. The pushyCat D8H was a brand new "HUSH PUPPY".
Cheers
Gordon

 

[mmourer]

252's

Also -- I did a little digging. Here are a few 252FT's in Southern California -- these are not our machines.

Marlow

I thought I reconized these 252FT' & the White Compact fuel truck behind them (no glass). They belong to Bob Webb, don't know how many runners he has left. Has a bunch of parts machines sitting on El Nopal Rd in Lakeside Ca.

Dug O.[/QUOTE]


Dug -- these are indeed Webb's machines. I don't know if I had taken any more pictures.

Marlow

 

[mmourer]

Water machine

Hey Marlow

Love shots of how to fill up a water cart! That out does anything I have ever seen tried.

I have too say I have never been lucky enough to have a go at one of these big beasts but they certainly look as if they would have been a lot of fun. Certainly far superior to the Cat 639 (only ever seen photos of these as well).

I posted a couple more shots of my 229F under the Wabco Scraper Pics thread.

Below is a shot of a V Power C'Pull here in Canberra. Australia back in 1973-4. The guy operating it taught me the skills of the trade and is avery good friend.

Cheers
Gordon

Gordon,

The necessity came out of a road project that was sandy material and access to a water source. It looked rather strange but it was functional. We ended up pulling the elevator frame, building a front door that was actuated by the ejector cycle and sealing up the floor. All in all it didn't work out too bad for the conditions. And when we were done it was a relatively straight forward conversion back to a running machine from the fleet.

Marlow

 

[Jim Irwin]

Great photos Marlow,
Ive never seen a 353FT, but to see so many in one row, great photos.

 

[frankderrico]

You got to love any Detroit running. I had a 6-71 in a lowboy tractor and you could hear it coming from three miles away.....Frank

 

[alan627b]

Wabcats

I thought you guys might like to see the content of an email I just recieved today...


Some details regarding our scrapers…..



651 Elevating Scraper



The Photo is of Albert Piacentini (company founder) who is standing next to the original machine after a full rebuild at 40,000hrs.



The machine was built out of a Cat 651B prime mover, and a Wabco 353ft bowl in 1989. Shortly after the machine was built and put into operation the engine was repowered with a KTA19 Cummins.



At the rebuild after 40,000hrs the rear end of the bowl was retro fitted with a 651B back end to increase the braking capabilities and serviceability.



The machine is still in operation and has around 75,000hrs on it.



Albert and Colin Piacentini built this machine so that they only needed one machine to meet the feed requirements of a mining plant. This machine was a great success story and they now have 2x 651B WABCAT’S and 5x 651E elevating scrapers.



The 651E machines have a custom built floor and elevating system.





657 Twin Auger Scraper

The 657 Twin Auger scraper is repowered with a KTA19 Cummins in the front and Cummins 855 in the rear. These are a fantastic machine.



Albert and Colin Piacentini repowered all of their B model 50 series scrapers with Cummins to improve the performance.



Scrapers

Piacentini & Son run a large fleet of scrapers and have many application that they use them in. they custom build mining plants so that the scraper can pull up onto a hopper and dump its load and go again.

Photos are
1) 651E
2) 657B auger scraper
3) 651E and tiger 690D
4) 651E elevating scraper
5) 651B and "the Boss"

And now, a shameless plug and a big thanks to....

Ashley Verwijmeren
Senior Operations Manager

Piacentini & Son
Mining / Earthmoving / Fixed Plant / Road Haulage

M 0419 919 451
T 08 9780 8900
F 08 9725 4736
ashleyv@piacentini.com.au

PO Box 308 Bunbury Western Australia 6231
www.piacentini.com.au

 

[alan627b]

More 353FT Information

Todays email from Ashley.


Cheers Alan.
Kim Piacentini was at the auction in the US when the 353FTs were sold. The farmer that purchased them was Mike Brown from Royal City in Washington state.



B & G Farms Inc.

Mike Brown

12088 Road 11 S.W.

Royal City, WA. 99357

Ph (509) 346-2294

Fx (509) 346-2296



There were 11 x 353FTs sold in the auction.



Kim travelled over to look at purchasing some scrapers and bringing them back to Aus.



We didn’t end up purchasing any items.



We have attached a picture taken at the auction.



Best regards,



Ashley and Kim