Russian Caterpillar's

[Deas Plant]

T800 dozer?

Hi, Folks.
Did anybody else take the time to do a search on that T800 dozer? If not, I'll take the hard yakka out of it for you. Here's the link.

http://chtz-uraltrac.com/catalog/items/13.php

THAT jigger is almost Cat D11R size - certainly bigger than a D11N. Now longevity - THAT might be a different story.

Try not to get gravel rash on your eyeballs. LOL.

 

[Greg]

Oh ya, one other thing. Please don't refer to any of these as "Cats." Cats are "Cats" as in Caterpillar. Everything else is simply a crawler. That includes Deere Komatsu, Dresser, Dressta and all of the other names.

 

[Greg]

In the park? They probably don't even have engines in them. Looks like a lot of Russian kids looking at them like playground equipment.

 

[tctractors]

Rusky Mounts.

Deas, I have Truck Driver pals that have seen those T800 tractors perform, and they tell me they pack a good bit of " Poke " and are realy built for heavy ripping, all done by a handy shaped hook hanging on the back, the ripper seems able to stand another tractor pushing onto it for those extra tough patches, my pals also told me it was -20 below and they had not turned their Scania trucks off for 9 days, and these 100t blades were working as normal, the right odd bulldozer in those pic's is the Belaz tractor that was sold in the U.K. by Umo Plant, I think it started with compressed air and the engine powered a generator to drive it???

tctractors

 

[Deas Plant]

Oddballs and other things.

Hi, Tctractors.
I guess I might just have to win the lottery and take my curiosity over there to have a look at those Russian 'Cats'. (Greg, I didn't get your check in the mail paying me to do as you order. Sorry - NOT. LOL.)

Are you referring to the last photo in post #8, of the DET 250 standing alongside the T800, as being the Belaz 'tank'? Funny, that. I think it was LDK who posted that he had worked in Russia with a Russian guy - strange, that - who claimed to have run these jiggers and thought they were quite good machines. 'Corse, Russian perceptions of 'good' may be slightly at variance from our own, us being used to Cat products and all. Maybe we-us-n-co is spoiled, huh?

I would like a closer look and/or further information on the track set-up on that T800. Did you notice that it didn't appear to have a front idler yoke? And that first step on the access to the radiator would not allow for a whole lot of vertical movement of the track frame. In-tresting, I thought.

 

[CAT793]

That bigger Mancine looks to be a dead ringer copy for a Fiat -Allis HD-40 (????) .

 

[tctractors]

Belaz Blade.

Deas, the Belaz tractor is the last pic on frame 8, it has the T800 tractor in the back-ground, my pals that told me about the T800's used to take truck loads of mining/drilling gear and Chocolate??? into Russia etc as their regular work, their antics make the "Ice Road Truckers" look like parcel delivery drivers, as most of the time a road was a scarce thing, just thought I would mention the weight of the T800 is in long ton 2240 lbs=1 ton,

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[Dozer575]

The T800 looks good. The rest are goofy looking things.
Anyone know the specs on the T800?

 

[stock]

The specs

Diesel Engine
Model 6ДМ-21Т
Manufacturer Tube Motor Plant the city of Ekaterinburg
Type four-stroke with direct fuel injection, liquid cooling with gas turbine charging and intermediate cooling of supercharging air
Operating power, kW (hp) 603 (820)
Rated speed of crankshaft, rpm 1500
Number of cylinders 6
Working capacity, l 43,64
Cylinder diameter, mm 210
Piston stroke, mm 210
Cooling system liquid
Lubricating system forced with dry carter
Running Gear

The tractor is equipped with the elastic torsion suspension with separate cushioning of the bogie wheels. The track with a hinge of closed type is provided with lubrication during its service life.
Number of bogie wheels at each side 8
Number of carrier rollers at each side 2
Tightening and recoil mechanisms hydropneumatic, collapsible type
Track shoe width, mm 700 (850)
Pitch, mm 290
Shoe number of a single track 79
Grouser height, mm 100
Electric Equipment
Rated power, V 17,0
Generator power, kW 3,5
Number of storage batteries 4

The automatic control system (САК) allows the operator to control the unit and system both when preparing the tractor for operation and during the operation.
Cab

The cab is a metal construction with two seats, two-glass cover and heat-and-noise insulating coating. Its volume is 3.5 cubic meters. The cab is sealed with the rubber shock absorbers. It is equipped with a guard mounted on the tractor bearing rods.
Hydraulic System

The hydraulic system is two-stage separate-unit device with the gear pumps discharged at the neutral position of the attached implement control lever. The governor-selectors of the loosening and bulldozer equipment are separate. The full-flow filter is mounted on the drain pipeline into the hydraulic tank.
Rated system pressure, MPa 17,0
Pressure of safety valve adjustment, MPa 17,5
Pressure at I stage (control), MPa 2,5
Capacities
Fuel tank, l 2050
Cooling system, l 383
Lubrication system of engine, l 225
Gearbox and rear axle, l 200
Torque converter 200
Final drive (each) 75
Hydraulic system of attached implement 580
Conditioner 2
Bulldozer Equipment
Semispherical unturning blade with hydraulic tilt
Blade capacity, cubic meters 26,2
Blade width, mm 6000
Blade height, mm 2600
Maximum blade deepening, mm 800
Main cutting angle, degrees 55°
Cutting angle change, degrees 50°-60°
Blade transverse tilt angle to each side, degrees 8°
Blade hydraulic cylinders:
- lifting 2
- tilting 1
Bulldozer equipment weight, kg 16295
Loosening Equipment
Single-tooth ripper with adjustable loosening angle
Maximum deepening, mm 1800
Loosening angle change, degrees (at nominal angle 45°) 37°-62°
Number of hydraulic cylinders:
- lifting-lowering 4
- dismounting and mounting of ripper pin 1
Weight of loosening equipment, kg 11200
Ground Pressure at Shoe Width 700 mm, MPa
- tractor 0,0937
- tractor with bulldozer and loosening equipment 0,158
Overall Dimensions
Length, mm 7945
Width, mm 4185
Height, mm 4775
Gauge, mm 2880
Base, mm 6220
Overall Dimensions of Tractor with Bulldozer and Loosening Equipment
Length, mm 12400
Width, mm 6000
Height, mm 4775
Operating Weight
Tractor, kg 76500
Tractor with bulldozer and loosening equipment, kg 106000

 

[Steve Frazier]

I think that about covers it, lol!!!

 

[Richardjw~]

Deas, the Belaz tractor is the last pic on frame 8, it has the T800 tractor in the back-ground, my pals that told me about the T800's used to take truck loads of mining/drilling gear and Chocolate??? into Russia etc as their regular work, their antics make the "Ice Road Truckers" look like parcel delivery drivers, as most of the time a road was a scarce thing, just thought I would mention the weight of the T800 is in long ton 2240 lbs=1 ton,

tctractors

TC, by any chance were they going to Zarafshon gold mine in Uzbekistan?

Having lived for over 12 yrs now out in these parts I can confirm that every day is an adventure!!!

To be honest the boys out here know only too well about the quality of western & the eastern machinery but at the end of the day its down to the good old LSD, say what you like about the boys but at least they support their local factories, reliable or not it keeps everyone in work. Plus they often do barter deals with other countries equipment for cotton or gas etc.
Also I will also say that by the same token as you are (from what I have read) an incredibly talented chap when it comes to engineering a repair to a Cat, these guys out here will keep these old ChTZs etc. going by a whole manner of means, orthodox or not - needs must when the devil (or boss) calls......while they wait for someone to place an order for a Cat part, transfer money, clear customs and ship in to the final point parts.

Just part of the big picture and what I have seen from my time out here

Here's are a few I snapped here in Turkmenistan ....

A big old Komatsu having some major surgery....

and one I found out on a farm

TC, not sure whether you're familiar with Mr Davies fleet but here's one that is over 5,000 miles from home, obviously been traded in and now running on local plates - small world!!! I couldn't believe it when I swung in the car park & saw that parked up!!!

and saw this mother-of-a dragline too.....in Uzbekistan

 

[tctractors]

007

Richardjw, you are on the right track with the Ralph Davis Team, as I live about 10 miles from their yard, the other local transport Co is Guilders, (Rus-Anglia) the drivers seem to swap about between the 2 haulage Firms, I know 1 lad that towed another Artic behind his own for 1200 Ks as it just could not be left anywhere, that tractor unit is not lightly to have been Sold, with the Davis name still on it "No Way", I know Ralph was at one time loosing a truck a Month at his worst time, but he still made few BoB .

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[Richardjw~]

That doesn't surprise me, TC. First thought was that it had been bought thru a s/h network, knowing there are people here that do such business out of Europe.

I have heard that Kz is/was bad for hi-jacking of foreign trucks, but never been to the place myself although have been within 100kms of its northern borders

Back in '96 I was in Uzbekistan and heard that a convoy of British trucks was passing thru on their way to the gold mine, never got to see them but got to see the mine about a year later. What a place!!!!

Here's another one of RD's, I was up in Uzbek back in July and had been way up over the mountains to the east within a couple hundred kms of the Chinese border, anyway coming back back down off the mountains to Tashkent by chance I happened to see this trailer, the name was the first thing that struck me but when I saw the plate I realised it had been re-registered to someone local

 

[tctractors]

Ruskie Trips

Richardjw, the storys I hear about the 12 week trips never fail to amaze me, the first thing that had my intrest was the refueling, the drivers buy it poured into a 2 gallon bucket then decant it into the Trucks Diesel tanks, with about 2 tons of fuel to load this is a slow way of "Filling Her Up", they do it this way so they know its not water they are being tucked up with, it would seem a good position to be in on some of the roads is just behind the Motor Scraper that is knocking out the massive ruts, the river crossings are just mental, the drivers have to wade into the rivers and plan the angle of getting in and hopefully getting out in one piece, plus there is plenty of Bandits on the way, I have 1 mate who has done these trips for about 18 years and he speaks good Russian/German and French which helps no-end, he was showing me some photos of his last trip the other month after delivering Drilling parts, in the photos I could see the Great Wall of China, I dont ask the location, as I would not be able to say it or spell it, "Ice Road Truckers would fill their pants"
tctractors.

P.S. what the hell are you doing working out there???, and is there any cash to earn.

 

[Richardjw~]

fill their pants"
tctractors.

P.S. what the hell are you doing working out there???, and is there any cash to earn.

well its nothing to do with CE eqpt but does involve oil - in a roundabout sort of way

 

[Dug Overburden]

Russian T800 Crawler

I went and copied a photo of the T800, different looking for sure. They explain it for working in artic conditions. Interesting the call the ripper loosing devise. I think if you owned one of these in the USA, you would need a few spare parts tractors.

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[rcn11thacr]

Im no expert with heavy machines like others. However gun knowledge is another thing. I bet that their machining expertice is questionable as mentioned above. But we all have seen just how well they can manufacture something when they put there heads together. Just remember the AK-47...Its one of the most highly sought after firearms for a reason....they last for ever. Millions were made CHEAP and millions are still in service. Those guns have killed more people on earth than any other weapon, partly due to the fact that they are cheaper than most other arms but mostly due to the fact that they will work in any environment. Kind of like an evironment a dozer works in, nasty, mucky and yuckey places. You can count on them to perform every time... Remember the chineese buy dozers and AK-47s but they only copy the dozers. I bet its because they know they can always count on the AK due to the fact that the russians built it. Being a recon scout (as my screen name says) I have held a few of these tough, ugly, but dependable and well made tools. A malfunction in an AK is very rare compared to dozers constant need for repairs.

 

[Richardjw~]

like i said above they can keep these old things running in almost any part of the old S. U. cheap parts & everyone at least knows someone who can repair it, there's a landfill here at the top of Ashgabad and I frequently see them stripping out the transmissions, but the machines go back to work, travel out of town and you see foreign eqpt (I won't name names) also stopped because the complex tier 3 fuel system can't cope with the poor quality diesel here....the difference is a set of injectors for them aren't serviceable, cost a fortune and probably need a lap-top to calibrate

So if YOU were managing a site here what would you chose?
Machines you can keep running and are cheap to repair or something that may well be state of the art but can't withstand the local conditions?

 

[Greg]

As I understand it China has been building AK47's "under license" if you can trust them honor a license agreement for some time. Saw the "knockoffs" for sale in a place where I was on a job in the mid 1980's.

I also subscribe to the machine you can keep running. Granted, I am old school here and getting ready to quit. I don't have a computerized machine in the fleet and don't have plans to buy any either.

 

[DPete]

Interesting photos, I'd like to see some of those crawlers working.